Shno's House of Z

[Scarrzz]

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[JusticePete]

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[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Time will tell. I've been wrong before once or twice haha.

No offense taken. I feel like after the work put in to the 5th gen Z/28, they should continue that path or not bring it back, especially when they have the perfect badge to use for a supercharged, comfort laden car. The ZL1 wasn't even a regular production car so I don't think it has the same cachet as the Z/28.



I wouldn't be quick to assume an LT4 powered Z/28 can take down a GT350R. There will more than likely be a massive weight gap between the two.

Why do you assume any weight gap at all let alone MASSIVE?

All indications are the Gen6 will weigh just about par with the Mustang and would also like mass reduce the Z/28. So the FC engine is only 500+ where as the LT4 is 640/650 HP.

It just depends on whether GM jumps all the way to the LT4 or if there is something else in the works.

[RSZ]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Why do you assume any weight gap at all let alone MASSIVE?

All indications are the Gen6 will weigh just about par with the Mustang and would also like mass reduce the Z/28. So the FC engine is only 500+ where as the LT4 is 640/650 HP.

It just depends on whether GM jumps all the way to the LT4 or if there is something else in the works.

I would suspect we will not see a Z/28 in the 2016 model year. 2017 at best, if it returns. The parallel would be the Boss 302 on a two year run then shut down.

The LT4 at 640-650 is not apples to apples in the configuration it is today. The FC is NA vs. SC. While everyone is hanging there hat on 500 HP, no numbers have been released other than 500+. It will be interesting to see what the + =

We are comparing a Z/28 to a new gen. GT350 R here. So maybe massive was a poor choice of words. Significant difference in unsprung weight. With the latest release of information regarding GT350 suspension and brake components, there are some very nicely engineered bits being employed on all four corners. Liberal use of carbon fiber and omission of most all luxury/comfort items. Not to mention the new CF company FMC recently acquired. The same company who assisted in the engineering of the components being utilized.

Whatever the outcome, we are all in for a treat.

[hotlap]

If one assumed that a gen6 LT4 Z/28 would weigh 200 lbs less than a gen5 ZL1 it would weigh 3,920 lbs. That's 100 lbs more than the gen5 Z/28 but with an additional ~135 HP / 160 lb-ft increase to move it.

Chevy was magical in the way they made the gen5 Z/28 handle so I would expect to see a significant improvement for gen6. Handling is Chevy's strength.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Why do you assume any weight gap at all let alone MASSIVE?

All indications are the Gen6 will weigh just about par with the Mustang and would also like mass reduce the Z/28. So the FC engine is only 500+ where as the LT4 is 640/650 HP.

It just depends on whether GM jumps all the way to the LT4 or if there is something else in the works.

The GT350R is 130 lbs less than the regular GT350, which is less than the GTPP. That can put the GT350R under 3600 lbs. Best case, that puts the GT350R at 300 lbs less than the LT4 Z, potentially more. Ford has also said the 5.2 will make at least 100 hp/l. I would expect it to be making well north of 500 hp.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The GT350R is 130 lbs less than the regular GT350, which is less than the GTPP. That can put the GT350R under 3600 lbs. Best case, that puts the GT350R at 300 lbs less than the LT4 Z, potentially more. Ford has also said the 5.2 will make at least 100 hp/l. I would expect it to be making well north of 500 hp.

I don't see how the GT 350 can weigh less than the GT???

[JusticePete]

I think I'll just wait to comment until I see them next week.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I don't see how the GT 350 can weigh less than the GT???

Not the Ford GT, the Mustang GT.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Not the Ford GT, the Mustang GT.

Yes the Mustang GT.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Yes the Mustang GT.

Lots of weight cutting and use of carbon fiber on the GT350. It should weight less than a GT/PP, but I question the difference being as large as some want to think,

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The GT350R is 130 lbs less than the regular GT350, which is less than the GTPP. That can put the GT350R under 3600 lbs. Best case, that puts the GT350R at 300 lbs less than the LT4 Z, potentially more. Ford has also said the 5.2 will make at least 100 hp/l. I would expect it to be making well north of 500 hp.

300 pounds less than what?

You are assuming that 1) the Z/28 actually GAINS weight over an SS and 2) the Z/28 will get the LT4.

Your first assumption is pretty likely to be incorrect. GM can and will reduce weight on any track variant. And as for the second if that is the engine it will be well over 100 HP more that the FC V8 which would put the proverbial fork in it. Add CC brakes and not even a concern.

If it has 100 HP more and weighs within 100 pounds no contest.

Where it will get interesting is if the is an LTX in the mix. So my guess is the ZL1 launches first again and the Z/28 follows with an LTX.

But I just don't see a GT350R being 300 pounds less than a not currently announced Z.

[JusticePete]

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[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

300 pounds less than what?

You are assuming that 1) the Z/28 actually GAINS weight over an SS and 2) the Z/28 will get the LT4.

Your first assumption is pretty likely to be incorrect. GM can and will reduce weight on any track variant. And as for the second if that is the engine it will be well over 100 HP more that the FC V8 which would put the proverbial fork in it. Add CC brakes and not even a concern.

If it has 100 HP more and weighs within 100 pounds no contest.

Where it will get interesting is if the is an LTX in the mix. So my guess is the ZL1 launches first again and the Z/28 follows with an LTX.

But I just don't see a GT350R being 300 pounds less than a not currently announced Z.

An LT4 Camaro won't be within 100 lbs of the GT350. A Camaro within 100 lbs of the GT350 won't make 100 more hp.

Yeah, I'm assuming but I'm making assumptions based on what GM has done. I don't think GM will make another LTx for a Z/28. They will probably just build an LT4 powered Z/28. Even if the Camaro loses 200 lbs across the board, that puts an LT4 powered Z around 3900 lbs, which would be way heavier than the GT350.