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Originally Posted by IOMike

I find it a bit ironic that the 2018 Mustang refresh had a lot of Camaro-esque design elements to it and now the 2020 GT500 has 2019 Camaro-esque design elements.

The cars look nothing alike, but the exterior changes Team Camaro makes are the same one Ford makes.

What design elements are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I think the Challenger should be viewed as over achieving. Is that a better word choice than successful lol.

They are selling a lot better than they were in the past and I commend them for that. If the trend continues then they will keep seeing increases every year. Hopefully their next Gen will be different enough to set it apart but close enough that it'll retain the classic look and boost sales even further. And hopefully it'll handle much better.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think a bolt C8 should be able to handle a GT500. The C8 being mid engine should put it's power down very effectively. I don't know if a stock one could do it, but a bolt on one IMO should have no problems hanging with a lot of cars in the 1/4.

On a track I would say it will probably depend on the type of track.

If that is the case then the GT500 will never really get it's time to shine. Both cars come out for 2020. And I imagine a stripped down C8 will be right around the price of a GT500 and will probably have a good amount of standard options. That will just give the GT500 another enemy to fight. And I can see a lot of people who are in the market for one switching over to a C8 seeing as how the allure of a mid engine setup is more attractive and they might not want to pay markups. On top of that the GT500 will still have to prove itself against the Redeye and ZL1/ZLE which I do believe the C8 might be able to eclipse.

Originally Posted by hotlap

To be fair to the GT500...

The funny thing is that they had to restrict it to 215 MPH!! That car is capable of going over 215. Think about it. The Hellcat and ZL1 both can hit low 200s. The ZR1 is restricted to over 10 MPH faster than they both can go!!

Originally Posted by newmoon

Who cares about the Corvette. If you are looking to pick up girls from the local nursing home it and the CTSV are top choices. Maybe when I am 80 I might have one.

Everyone on this forum except for you cares about the Vette!! With the C8 I will be transitioning away from Camaros and sticking with Vettes...unless the next ZL1 follows the 6th Gen ZL1 and has the same powerplant of the C8 Z06 but for half the price. Then I'll gladly switch back.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

So a car with what we think we be similar in weight and power to the GT500 is limited to 215 because it's so fast it will blow up the tires. But the GT500 is limited at 180 because "We couldn't get that speed in real world or simulated testing so you wont reach it either". Lol

Now maybe owning the 15 model Mustang soured me on the whole generation. Or maybe the 2 times they neglected to put coolers on a track car. Or pulling up to Sonic and listening to a co-worker and friends engine typewriter tick on their 18 GT which they got after selling their oil guzzling Shelby.

The 500 would have to be absolutely amazing for me to even consider one.

I think Hotlap was being facetious.

The 15 GT I owned also was where I drew the line. Although it was a huge step up from the S197 and from typical Mustangs in the past, it still fell far short of what was available around that time. And the 18s came too late. The 500, even if it is amazing, is no longer an option for me. The price will not be in line with the performance based on the competition. So I'll have to pass.

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Looks like C&D is estimating the new Challenger 1320 to run 11:50s

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ck-1320-drive/

Are you a Dodge fan or something all of a sudden??

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Originally Posted by Chadicus

A mid engine vette with so much power it twisted the frame sounds much more exciting to me than a 700+ hp (supposedly) car that already has a speed limiter built on a crap S550 platform.

Crap S550 platform? You do realize the GT350R has received unanimous praise for its handling, steering, braking, engine, and competence around a track or on the street? The GT500 will likely have the same R chassis tuning, but tweaked for the heavier front end due to S/C and beefier drive train. At least I hope so. But, there's no doubt the mid engine Vette (esp. in Z06 or ZR1 trim) is more interesting and exotic.

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[QUOTE=BlaqWhole;10475071]
The 15 GT I owned also was where I drew the line. Although it was a huge step up from the S197 and from typical Mustangs in the past, it still fell far short of what was available around that time. And the 18s came too late. The 500, even if it is amazing, is no longer an option for me. The price will not be in line with the performance based on the competition. So I'll have to pass.[/QUOTE]

You're eliminating it based purely on speculation?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Are you a Dodge fan or something all of a sudden??

Yes always have been.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You're eliminating it based purely on speculation?

It's not speculation. This is a car that will have had 3 model years, and really, closer to 4, to build a bad ass car. Instead, we're going to get a GT 500 that won't be faster than a Hellcat Redeye. We're going to get a GT 500 that won't be able to match the 200 mph speeds of both the Hellcat and ZL1. We're getting a GT 500 that will almost certainly never run the Ring.

But most of all, we're getting a car that will cost as much as 100k... WHY?

I personally already view the GT500 as a failure. Many of my Mustang friends also feel this way too. It's not going to be a terrible car, but it won't be what it could have been.

The GT 500 is a great looking car and sounds great, but it's about 3 years too late, and it will still be #2 in virtually every category you put it in.. save perhaps braking..

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think Hotlap was being facetious.

I was.

I think its hilarious to read Chevy "limited" top speed to 215 mph. That is insane speed ...and they had to hold it back so the tires aren't at risk of blowing!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Who cares about the Corvette. If you are looking to pick up girls from the local nursing home it and the CTSV are top choices. Maybe when I am 80 I might have one.

Every little girl wants a pony.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I was.

I think its hilarious to read Chevy "limited" top speed to 215 mph. That is insane speed ...and they had to hold it back so the tires aren't at risk of blowing!

I knew you were I just couldn't pass up mocking the Mustangs again.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Crap S550 platform? You do realize the GT350R has received unanimous praise for its handling, steering, braking, engine, and competence around a track or on the street? The GT500 will likely have the same R chassis tuning, but tweaked for the heavier front end due to S/C and beefier drive train. At least I hope so. But, there's no doubt the mid engine Vette (esp. in Z06 or ZR1 trim) is more interesting and exotic.

You do realize that the SS 1LE and ZLE exist right? And that the PP1 feels like the "front and back end are disconnected" -MT 2018.

The platform with broken shift forks, engine ticking, mass oil consumption, hood shaking, wheel hopping , and an appetite for pedestrians at car shows is crap yes. The S550 as a whole has been a dumpster fire. Literally on fire in some cases.

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It's not speculation. This is a car that will have had 3 model years, and really, closer to 4, to build a bad ass car. Instead, we're going to get a GT 500 that won't be faster than a Hellcat Redeye. We're going to get a GT 500 that won't be able to match the 200 mph speeds of both the Hellcat and ZL1. We're getting a GT 500 that will almost certainly never run the Ring.

But most of all, we're getting a car that will cost as much as 100k... WHY?

I personally already view the GT500 as a failure. Many of my Mustang friends also feel this way too. It's not going to be a terrible car, but it won't be what it could have been.

The GT 500 is a great looking car and sounds great, but it's about 3 years too late, and it will still be #2 in virtually every category you put it in.. save perhaps braking..

Ha, dude, practically everything you just typed is speculation.

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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Crap S550 platform? You do realize the GT350R has received unanimous praise for its handling, steering, braking, engine, and competence around a track or on the street? The GT500 will likely have the same R chassis tuning, but tweaked for the heavier front end due to S/C and beefier drive train. At least I hope so. But, there's no doubt the mid engine Vette (esp. in Z06 or ZR1 trim) is more interesting and exotic.

The thing is, that as much praise as the GT350 gets, when people end up switching to a ZL1 and come onto our forums, they all say that it is a night and day difference between the way our car performs and the way the Shelby performs. The fact that even the R is no match for the ZL1 at anything despite costing more says a lot. Most of us view the GT350 as a failed effort because Ford decided to build a car to beat the Z28 in the Z28's last year of production without thinking ahead to the fact that the next Gen of Camaros, which was 1 year away, would be way ahead of where they were at that point. Ford settled for mediocrity and produced a car that would turn out to be mediocre and would do nothing but hold back the PP2 and push the entire platform back. Not many of us have any respect for that car.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You're eliminating it based purely on speculation?

Yes I am. If there were more details on it then I would be able to make a more informed choice. But I can speculate that the car will have a MSRP of $75K-$80K. And I can speculate that even if it doesn't then it will surely cost over $80K OTD and with markups added. That is minimum and that would be IF I could get one at that price which I speculate I won't. It is limited to a speed that the ZL1 and Hellcat both can handle easily because it is not stable enough...that is what I speculate because there is no other reason for Ford to limit it. It will not beat the RE since the RE is purposely built for straight line work. It will not beat the standard ZL1 either. And I speculate that I will be able to buy a ME Vette for cheaper. I also speculate that with minor bolt-ons a ME Vette will hang with a GT500. So based on all that I have concluded that the GT500 is not a car that I'll be spending my money on. The price alone for a RWD 2 dr with no sunroof option is enough to make me pass on it. I'd rather get a GTR, C8 Vette, or other options like a M5 than a GT500 at this point.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

It's not speculation. This is a car that will have had 3 model years, and really, closer to 4, to build a bad ass car. Instead, we're going to get a GT 500 that won't be faster than a Hellcat Redeye. We're going to get a GT 500 that won't be able to match the 200 mph speeds of both the Hellcat and ZL1. We're getting a GT 500 that will almost certainly never run the Ring.

But most of all, we're getting a car that will cost as much as 100k... WHY?

I personally already view the GT500 as a failure. Many of my Mustang friends also feel this way too. It's not going to be a terrible car, but it won't be what it could have been.

The GT 500 is a great looking car and sounds great, but it's about 3 years too late, and it will still be #2 in virtually every category you put it in.. save perhaps braking..

Lol. Here's one for you if C&D is correct a Scatpack 1320 will be faster than a manual ZL1 and within 2 tenths of the A10. Not only will the ZL1 driver have to worry about lining up against a Hellcat, RedEye, GT500, but now a Scatpack.