[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

LOL, and yet...all of the reviews chose the GT350R as the car to have...even though it was slower.

Actually, the review simply showed what MT preferred. And most Ford diehards prefer it. There was no poll or vote that showed what most people prefer. And I know a few GT350 owners who said they'd rather have a ZL1 over the GT350 and the GT350R. And all the reasoning on their pick was subjective anyway which means it is opinion. LOL!! I still don't argue it because that is their particular choice. But they had a pick based off what the 2 drivers preferred and one sound guy. That hardly shows which one is the car to have.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Actually, the review simply showed what MT preferred. And most Ford diehards prefer it. There was no poll or vote that showed what most people prefer. And I know a few GT350 owners who said they'd rather have a ZL1 over the GT350 and the GT350R. And all the reasoning on their pick was subjective anyway which means it is opinion. LOL!! I still don't argue it because that is their particular choice. But they had a pick based off what the 2 drivers preferred and one sound guy. That hardly shows which one is the car to have.

Nearly every comparison results in the same...the reviewers picking the GT350R. This isn't unique to just MT. Other reviewers state that the ZL1 is quicker around the track, but the GT350R is better in the brakes, in the corner, feels better in both and is the better car.

You can pretend opinions don't mean anything...but the average consumer that purchases anything will set you straight.

The funny thing is...it is quite possible that you would drive the GT350R around a road coarse FASTER than the ZL1. I love the professional reviews, but they don't always translate to faster times for the amateur.

Simply owning the faster car does not make it faster in your hands. Something to keep in mind.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Nearly every comparison results in the same...the reviewers picking the GT350R. This isn't unique to just MT. Other reviewers state that the ZL1 is quicker around the track, but the GT350R is better in the brakes, in the corner, feels better in both and is the better car.

You can pretend opinions don't mean anything...but the average consumer that purchases anything will set you straight.

The funny thing is...it is quite possible that you would drive the GT350R around a road coarse FASTER than the ZL1. I love the professional reviews, but they don't always translate to faster times for the amateur.

Simply owning the faster car does not make it faster in your hands. Something to keep in mind.

I'm sure that in your head you believe this garbage. But the ONLY reviewers I know that chose the Gt350R was the 2 MT and their one sound guy...all 3 who I never heard of before the test. But to you and people who overpaid for that garbage POSStang I'm sure that means everyone. Opinions don't mean anything. Because someone else's opinion means nothing to my car buying experience. I buy based off of what I want and which car gives me more of that. Matter of fact, lol, I'm about to add another Muscle Car to my collection. And it sure as hell ain't gonna be a GT350, lol!! I'll take a Hellcat any day of the week over the GT350. Matter of fact I'd rather have a SRT Grand Cherokee or X5M over a GT350. LOL!!

[Norm Peterson]

Norm

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm sure that in your head you believe this garbage. But the ONLY reviewers I know that chose the Gt350R was the 2 MT and their one sound guy...all 3 who I never heard of before the test. But to you and people who overpaid for that garbage POSStang I'm sure that means everyone. Opinions don't mean anything. Because someone else's opinion means nothing to my car buying experience. I buy based off of what I want and which car gives me more of that. Matter of fact, lol, I'm about to add another Muscle Car to my collection. And it sure as hell ain't gonna be a GT350, lol!! I'll take a Hellcat any day of the week over the GT350. Matter of fact I'd rather have a SRT Grand Cherokee or X5M over a GT350. LOL!!

ROLMAO, man is your ass chapped or what? Someone must have rammed a mustang up your ass or something, damn son.

By the way, not that you will....but google any review of the GT350R vs the ZL1 and you'll find the same. ZL1 is quicker, reviewers like the GT350R better.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And the time between the GT500 and ZL1, M6 to M6, are not far off. They are within a couple tenths. Which again, the GT500 is lighter, has more hp, and a solid rear axle. It is basically a driver's race between those two. The difference between the GT350 and the ZL1 is staggering. The GT350R is 4 tenths slower at WS and on the quarter mile. Also, the 6th Gen M6 Camaro SS is only 1-2 tenths of a second off the GT350R's quarter mile time and matched the GT350R's WS time despite being short by 71 hp. Which means it is a driver's race there too. Or do you have another ricer-excuse for that also?? LOL!!

So it only took Chevy 4 years to come out with a manual Camaro that can run close with a 500, but still can't beat it where it matters

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

ROLMAO, man is your ass chapped or what? Someone must have rammed a mustang up your ass or something, damn son.

By the way, not that you will....but google any review of the GT350R vs the ZL1 and you'll find the same. ZL1 is quicker, reviewers like the GT350R better.

Riiiggghhhttt...sure they do. For all subjective reasons.

Originally Posted by newmoon

So it only took Chevy 4 years to come out with a manual Camaro that can run close with a 500, but still can't beat it where it matters

LOL, the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 for 2 years...2013-2014.

[dotfiles]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm sure that in your head you believe this garbage. But the ONLY reviewers I know that chose the Gt350R was the 2 MT and their one sound guy...all 3 who I never heard of before the test. But to you and people who overpaid for that garbage POSStang I'm sure that means everyone. Opinions don't mean anything. Because someone else's opinion means nothing to my car buying experience. I buy based off of what I want and which car gives me more of that. Matter of fact, lol, I'm about to add another Muscle Car to my collection. And it sure as hell ain't gonna be a GT350, lol!! I'll take a Hellcat any day of the week over the GT350. Matter of fact I'd rather have a SRT Grand Cherokee or X5M over a GT350. LOL!!

Lol talk about fanboyism. Preferring a supercharged LT4 over the Mustang's FPC motor is fine, as well as preferring how one car drives or looks over another. But to call the GT350R a POS is pretty ridiculous, no? Both cars have tremendous engineering behind them and are great track cars.

It also seems like you really like to ignore the subjective results from the reviews of these two cars. Sure the ZL1 may be faster in a straight line and around the track but people aren't allowed to prefer driving the slightly slower car even if may be more enjoyable or rewarding on track?

All of this coming from a Chevy fan...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by dotfiles

Lol talk about fanboyism. Preferring a supercharged LT4 over the Mustang's FPC motor is fine, as well as preferring how one car drives or looks over another. But to call the GT350R a POS is pretty ridiculous, no? Both cars have tremendous engineering behind them and are great track cars.

It also seems like you really like to ignore the subjective results from the reviews of these two cars. Sure the ZL1 may be faster in a straight line and around the track but people aren't allowed to prefer driving the slightly slower car even if may be more enjoyable or rewarding on track?

All of this coming from a Chevy fan...

Well that is my opinion of it. There are some people who think the same thing about the ZL1. That's their opinion. And you obviously didn't read my comments. I don't care about other people's subjective results because it is their opinion. I respect their opinion. But other then that I don't care. And I'm not trying to force anyone to care about mine either. I said how I felt about the car and that's that.

And I am no fanboy. I've owned more Mustangs in the past 5 years than I can remember. In fact, I like the Mustang GT although I won't buy one again until the performance drastically increases. I have been a fan of the GT500 from 2013-2014. And a bunch of other Stangs as well. I just think the GT350R is a POS. It is overpriced and under-performs in my book. And I gave it credit for being better at cornering. But that is all it can do. It is a one-trick pony.

[DJGold]

Some of your comments are more then just your opinion... Pretty harsh. After driving a GT350 not r and a normal ss on a regular basis, I can honestly say that the Ford is the better car. I can only imagine that the zl1 and r translate to the same result for the same reasons.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Riiiggghhhttt...sure they do. For all subjective reasons.



LOL, the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 for 2 years...2013-2014.

Is the manual ZL1 faster than the now 4 yr old 13 GT500? In any venue that actually matters like street or strip. The venue the majority of forum owners perform in? Or is it just a magazine star.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Is the manual ZL1 faster than the now 4 yr old 13 GT500? In any venue that actually matters like street or strip. The venue the majority of forum owners perform in? Or is it just a magazine star.

Excuse me.... Mr. Spokesman for "the majority"... What makes you think the majority take their car to either drag strip or road coarse?

There are subsections for both on the forum with about equal number of people posting. Neither have the majority of forum members posting.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Excuse me.... Mr. Spokesman for "the majority"... What makes you think the majority take their car to either drag strip or road coarse?

There are subsections for both on the forum with about equal number of people posting. Neither have the majority of forum members posting.

Inquiring or actually running in the venues mentioned. Drag racing to track duty will be 100/1 for actual use.Just as it was/is with the 5th Gen.

[Mr. Meh]

There's a ZL1 Exclusive FB page and there's several on there showing track day cams. Hell, there was video from Buttonwillow posted from just this weekend.

Camaro6 does not encompass the majority of car owners. Nor does everyone that's active here feel the need to talk about their track time and events.