2023 NFL season discussion

[PoorMansCamaro]

I’m just going to ask a hypothetical. Would you think the mvp of a league is a qb that has great stats like yards, passing td, total td, etc, but only wins 10-11 games. OR a qb that is lacking in stats, but clearly one of the reasons their team is winning games and has won 13-14 games?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

The MVP is almost as meaningless as the Heisman. It is virtually certain to be a QB and he has to play for one of, if not the best team. And what exactly does "most valuable" mean? If "most valuable" means "most valuable" and not "best QB", there were a few years where Justin Tucker should have won it.

That said, Jackson is a lock. Is Jackson more valuable than Josh? No. Is he more valuable than any of the others on the list? Who knows.

Amen

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

And if you are going to put a token non QB on the list it should have been Deebo Samuel. The 49ers are clearly a much better team when he is on the field.

Preach!

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

I’m just going to ask a hypothetical. Would you think the mvp of a league is a qb that has great stats like yards, passing td, total td, etc, but only wins 10-11 games. OR a qb that is lacking in stats, but clearly one of the reasons their team is winning games and has won 13-14 games?

Would Lamar Jackson have taken the Bills to the playoffs? Probably not...

Would Josh Allen have gone 12-5 or 13-4 or better in Baltimore? Most likely...

That's a really good way to determine your MVP.

Personally, I actually see Tyreek or CMC as being the MVP this year.... and even the mention of Lamar Jackson as the MVP is just an absolute disrespect to the rest of the league.

CJ Stroud was more valuable to his team than Lamar was...

Ironically, I would argue that Purdy and Jackson both have benefitted from a really great defense this year...

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

I’m just going to ask a hypothetical. Would you think the mvp of a league is a qb that has great stats like yards, passing td, total td, etc, but only wins 10-11 games. OR a qb that is lacking in stats, but clearly one of the reasons their team is winning games and has won 13-14 games?

Stats can be highly misleading. How many QB's pass for 200 yards and two TD's in the fourth quarter because their team is getting blown out.

It's like bad teams that look great against the pass... because they can't stop the run

So I don't know, it's situational.

Lamar will win this year and he deserves it as much as anybody but at the end of the day its as much a popularity contest as anything.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Would Lamar Jackson have taken the Bills to the playoffs? Probably not...

Would Josh Allen have gone 12-5 or 13-4 or better in Baltimore? Most likely...

That's a really good way to determine your MVP.

Personally, I actually see Tyreek or CMC as being the MVP this year.... and even the mention of Lamar Jackson as the MVP is just an absolute disrespect to the rest of the league.

CJ Stroud was more valuable to his team than Lamar was...

Ironically, I would argue that Purdy and Jackson both have benefitted from a really great defense this year...

I think Jackson and Allen are interchangeable.

100% agree with CJ Stroud though

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Would Lamar Jackson have taken the Bills to the playoffs? Probably not...

Would Josh Allen have gone 12-5 or 13-4 or better in Baltimore? Most likely...

That's a really good way to determine your MVP.

Personally, I actually see Tyreek or CMC as being the MVP this year.... and even the mention of Lamar Jackson as the MVP is just an absolute disrespect to the rest of the league.

CJ Stroud was more valuable to his team than Lamar was...

Ironically, I would argue that Purdy and Jackson both have benefitted from a really great defense this year...

You think a good way to determine mvp is hypotheticals?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Hypothetically, would Tyreek Hill do better with Mahomes or Tua? Oh wait, that’s not a hypothetical

[PoorMansCamaro]

Dolphins are requesting to interview Bobby Babich, Bills linebacker coach, to be their DC. Babich coached with McDaniel in Cleveland in 2014

[102SS]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

The MVP is almost as meaningless as the Heisman. It is virtually certain to be a QB and he has to play for one of, if not the best team. And what exactly does "most valuable" mean? If "most valuable" means "most valuable" and not "best QB", there were a few years where Justin Tucker should have won it.

That said, Jackson is a lock. Is Jackson more valuable than Josh? No. Is he more valuable than any of the others on the list? Who knows.

Here is my take

How can Purdy or CMC be the MVP when there is obviously a question of which one is the best from the 49ers

They kind of cancel each other out

So its a no to Dak as well...when he came north to Buffalo he led one TD drive in garbage time with the score 31-3 against the Bills backups

Then choked again the next week against Miami who the Bills beat twice

So its down to Lamont and JA17

Lamont 15th in passing yards 3678...11th in passing TD`s with 24 Lead all QB`s with 821 yds rushing and had 5 TD`s

Lamont total yds 4499...total TD`s 29

JA17 ...4th in passing yds 4306...5th in passing TD`d with 29 as many as Lamonts total

3rd in QB rushing with 524 yds and tied for number 1 in QB rushing TD`s with 15(an NFL record shared with Hurts this year)

JA17 total yds 4830 ...total TD`s 44

Josh has been runner up twice to Aaron Rodgers for MVP and I think 3rd times a charm


Lamonts previous 2019 MVP he had 1206 rushing yds 7 rush TD`s

3126 passing and 36 passing TD`s so 4332 total yds and 43 total TD`s

He passed his total yds by 26 this year but fell short on TD`s by 15 hardly MVP numbers compared to his previous win.

[102SS]

Because they are contenders I will post dak`, Purdy`s and CMC`s stats

Purdy 5th in passing yards with 4280 and about 15th in QB rushing yds 144 rush TD`s 2

3rd in passing TD`s with 31 for 33 total TD`s good work for Mr. Irrelevant but not MVP worthy

CMC 1459 rush yds and 14 TD`s 564 receiving yds and 7 TD`s for 21 TD`s to me thats a great season but not MVP great

Dak 3rd in passing yds 4516 and first in passing tds 36 with 242 rush yds and 2 Td`s for 38 Total Td`s

[102SS]

So as you can see Jalen Hurts(15) and Josh Allen(15) had an NFL record for QB`s and both had more rushing TD`s than CMC(14)

NFL records even shared ones should count for something.

When the 3 time NFL MVP (Aaron Rodgers)and your golfing buddy says you deserve it I think it carries some weight.

To debunk the turnover myth you might want to read this article.

A few key points are posted here


In Buffalo’s case, there were 54 points scored on the possession following an Allen interception as the bulk of his misfires did not have a huge bearing on the real-time game situation or the ultimate outcome.``

(54 points divided by 17 games is 3 points per game hardly a devastating number that can`t be overcome)


Coles notes
Through his first six NFL seasons Allen has 71 interceptions. By comparison, Peyton Manning had 110, Dan Marino 103, John Elway 96, Brett Favre 93, Drew Brees 82, and Tom Brady 78. Those five are all in, or will be in, the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com...3/72187861007/

[NjaTrtl]

Everything 102SS said!

[102SS]

Originally Posted by NjaTrtl

Everything 102SS said!

Thanks

I think once the numbers are analyzed there is a very good case for Josh.

I hope the voters put as much thought into it

[102SS]

Well there are a couple of games today.

The party is over for the Dirty Birds and the Lions today.

Mahomee proved TOP has little bearing on KC's attack and it doesn't really effect the defense by tiring them out

The Bills used sustained drives and a rushing attack to control the clock and keep Patty off the field

37 mins to 23 is usually good enough to get the desired result and 2.5 minutes of KC's was the kneel downs at the half and end of game.

Longest TD drive 4 mins 3 secs shortest 2 mins 34 secs they don't waste time they just score

On to the NFC

The Lions secondary is porous and Purdy will pick them apart.

The only chance the Leo's have is if they create a few splash plays and get the 49ers down 2 or 3 tds early.

I just think the 49ers are a deeper team on both sides of the ball and they will not be denied a SB appearance this year.