Big Brother Is Watching - Page 6

Junction65 · 10-19-2022, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

Did you or anyone in your family have an accident or get a ticket prior to this collection of your data? It seems that something may have triggered this collection. Maybe I'm wrong

State Farm did not initiate the collection of IndyPaceCar's data. General Motors Holding collected the "driving practices" data via OnStar connected services and then provided to LexisNexis. Due to an upcoming renewal, State Farm queried LexisNexis for any data on IndyPaceCar which returned the "driving practices" data.

Collection vs Query

WhiteMale · 10-19-2022, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Devstrike

USAA seems to not be involved in this yet just had a policy renewal no increases and I do enjoy those spirited drives on the twisties.

Ive not seen it through USAA, I had an 18 1LE with the APP/Smart Driver reporting stuff and never saw an effect on my premiums.

Im going to call today OnStar and opt out of this 3d party reporting nonsense.

WhiteMale · 10-19-2022, 09:07 AM

I disenrolled via the my chevrolet app, dropped the smartdriver enrollment, see post #54

NW-99SS · 10-19-2022, 09:24 AM

The company I work for now pays for this information coming directly from the company unit (GM Truck).

When activating OnStar, there were no questions asked about this data collection, but that could be due to a fleet account. Either way, ANY OnStar equipped vehicle is susceptible, all the way back to the early 2000's.

GM has been caught selling this information before, never trust them to secure your privacy data, best course of action is to eliminate the option altogether.

Surveillance states are 100% Orwellian.

Firecaptain · 10-19-2022, 09:29 AM

Ford has a similar thing basically.....there is a cable that you have to disconnect in the trunk behind the drivers tail light.....looks like an XM radio box and connection.....communicating with Ford all the time......

IndyPaceCar · 10-19-2022, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Junction65

State Farm did not initiate the collection of IndyPaceCar's data. General Motors Holding collected the "driving practices" data via OnStar connected services and then provided to LexisNexis. Due to an upcoming renewal, State Farm queried LexisNexis for any data on IndyPaceCar which returned the "driving practices" data.

Collection vs Query

That is correct

Jus Cruisin · 10-19-2022, 09:52 AM

I had Smart Driver enabled when I drove away from the dealership. I was just driving without even being close to jumping on it and when I shut down the car it showed I had 2 hard accelerations and one hard braking. Really? And if that would get sent to insurance I'm sure it would flag me for poor driving. Don't need that. I made sure I unenrolled yesterday after this thread came up.

WhiteMale · 10-19-2022, 10:06 AM

I hadn't considered a 3d party reporting matrix like we're talking about now but you pull that smart driver report and it'll go so far as to show on a map your acceleration and braking and to me it's been a little unnerving but just in the way that could be sued if you were in an accident.

fj5gtx · 10-19-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteMale

I hadn't considered a 3d party reporting matrix like we're talking about now but you pull that smart driver report and it'll go so far as to show on a map your acceleration and braking and to me it's been a little unnerving but just in the way that could be sued if you were in an accident.

Neither did I, but when you think about it - selling our data is just another revenue stream for them. I'm sure insurance companies aren't the only interested parties.

When I got my 2014 GM, I laughed when I realized OnStar's idea of navigation was to call them and tell a person where you wanted to go and they would send line by line instructions. Meanwhile, the whole world was using maps with automation. I thought, this onstar feature is going to go dead fast.... here we are 8 years later dealing with extreme privacy concerns.

keep_hope_alive · 10-19-2022, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Surveillance states are 100% Orwellian.

Turns out 1984 became a "How-To Manual" for global leaders.

NW-99SS · 10-19-2022, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive

Turns out 1984 became a "How-To Manual" for global leaders.

The next gen of vehicles, EV or otherwise, it will be mandatory to participate in the surveillance, and any tampering will result in fines/arrests.

Your range, charge capabilities, throttle usage will all be easily controlled (they already are with electric power steering, and drive by wire TBs, electronically shifted transmissions, etc).

FarmerFran · 10-19-2022, 12:29 PM

Look at EU rules and expect them at a state near you soon. Like the car talking to the speed limit signs.

jamala00 · 10-19-2022, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

The next gen of vehicles, EV or otherwise, it will be mandatory to participate in the surveillance, and any tampering will result in fines/arrests.

Your range, charge capabilities, throttle usage will all be easily controlled (they already are with electric power steering, and drive by wire TBs, electronically shifted transmissions, etc).

This is the exact and only reason they are pushing EV's. This will be bigger then big brother... whatever that is.

IndyPaceCar · 10-19-2022, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jamala00

This is the exact and only reason they are pushing EV's. This will be bigger then big brother... whatever that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

10-19-2022, 09:24 AM	#74
NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,167	The company I work for now pays for this information coming directly from the company unit (GM Truck). When activating OnStar, there were no questions asked about this data collection, but that could be due to a fleet account. Either way, ANY OnStar equipped vehicle is susceptible, all the way back to the early 2000's. GM has been caught selling this information before, never trust them to secure your privacy data, best course of action is to eliminate the option altogether. Surveillance states are 100% Orwellian. __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

10-19-2022, 09:29 AM	#75
Firecaptain Drives: '22 Summit White ZL1 A10 Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Virginia Posts: 459	Ford has a similar thing basically.....there is a cable that you have to disconnect in the trunk behind the drivers tail light.....looks like an XM radio box and connection.....communicating with Ford all the time...... __________________ 2022 ZL1 Summit White A10 2020 GT350 Heritage Edition-Chassis L0350 2019 ZL1 Summit White M6 2018 Hellcat White Knuckle M6 2016 Hellcat GoMango A8 2002 Dodge Viper Viper Red 2002 Corvette Z06 Millennium Yellow 1998 Dodge Viper Viper Silver Metallic

10-19-2022, 09:52 AM	#77
Jus Cruisin Old Gearhead Drives: 2023 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: MI Posts: 546	I had Smart Driver enabled when I drove away from the dealership. I was just driving without even being close to jumping on it and when I shut down the car it showed I had 2 hard accelerations and one hard braking. Really? And if that would get sent to insurance I'm sure it would flag me for poor driving. Don't need that. I made sure I unenrolled yesterday after this thread came up. __________________ 2023 Camaro ZL1 convertible - black - SOLD 2023 GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate - black

10-19-2022, 12:29 PM	#82
FarmerFran Drives: 2023 ZL1 Vert M6 "Sharky" Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 4,046	Look at EU rules and expect them at a state near you soon. Like the car talking to the speed limit signs. __________________ 2023 Camaro ZL1 Vert TR-6060 Sharkskin "Sharky" Firecracker Red Wrangler Willys, 3.6L eTorque, 850RE 8 speed automatic, 25W Willys package, Technology Group, Convenience Group (aka $600 garage door opener), Cold weather Group, Trailer Tow and HD electric group with AUX switches, 3 piece black freedom top.

10-19-2022, 09:07 AM	#73
WhiteMale Drives: 23 ZL1 A10 Rapid Blue Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: MO Posts: 2,015	I disenrolled via the my chevrolet app, dropped the smartdriver enrollment, see post #54

10-19-2022, 10:06 AM	#78
WhiteMale Drives: 23 ZL1 A10 Rapid Blue Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: MO Posts: 2,015	I hadn't considered a 3d party reporting matrix like we're talking about now but you pull that smart driver report and it'll go so far as to show on a map your acceleration and braking and to me it's been a little unnerving but just in the way that could be sued if you were in an accident.