[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Hey now don't go knocking my 07 lol. It didn't have a terrible 4 speed auto, it had the awful 5 speed auto haha. The 5R55S was a piece of junk compared to the 4R75W that was in my 04.

Ah, I didn't know it was a 5sp. At least it was better than the 4sp autos in the New Edge GTs. I had an 03.

Originally Posted by Razzaa

Just watched the H2H. Man this SS is a sweet platform!!! Decided to check out the comments on M6G. What a shit show over there!! They have all kinds of excuses lol. Claiming engine torque is meaningless etc.

They have an excuse for everything. Their favorite excuse is that it isn't an "apples to apples" comparison. ZL1 destroys the GT350R and it isn't apples to apples. SS beats the GT and it isn't "apples to apples". SS 1LE annihilates the GTPP and it isn't "apples to apples". I mean, they're running out of trim levels at this point. When they're matched by price point it isn't fair. When they're matched by trim level it isn't fair. When the Mustang is an extra trim level higher and the SS still matches it then it doesn't count because it was on a different day. I guess it won't be a fair comparison unless the Mustang wins. So they better hope and pray for a GT PP2 win and a GT500 win. Because they're running out of excuses. Oh and the other excuse is that Mustang owners don't care about performance...

[Syphon23]

Originally Posted by Razzaa

Just watched the H2H. Man this SS is a sweet platform!!! Decided to check out the comments on M6G. What a shit show over there!! They have all kinds of excuses lol. Claiming engine torque is meaningless etc.

Yep LoL! And they are claiming the merritts of 1 mile drag races by saying "Oh well I just like to go fast on the highways!"

[Mr. Wyndham]

When you can't pass muster...the next step is, typically: Lower the Bar.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ah, I didn't know it was a 5sp. At least it was better than the 4sp autos in the New Edge GTs. I had an 03.


They have an excuse for everything. Their favorite excuse is that it isn't an "apples to apples" comparison. ZL1 destroys the GT350R and it isn't apples to apples. SS beats the GT and it isn't "apples to apples". SS 1LE annihilates the GTPP and it isn't "apples to apples". I mean, they're running out of trim levels at this point. When they're matched by price point it isn't fair. When they're matched by trim level it isn't fair. When the Mustang is an extra trim level higher and the SS still matches it then it doesn't count because it was on a different day. I guess it won't be a fair comparison unless the Mustang wins. So they better hope and pray for a GT PP2 win and a GT500 win. Because they're running out of excuses. Oh and the other excuse is that Mustang owners don't care about performance...

100% agree. Although I do think the 500 will be faster in the 1/4 than the ZL1.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

100% agree. Although I do think the 500 will be faster in the 1/4 than the ZL1.

If the gt500 doesn’t beat the zl1, that would be a huge fail.

[Syphon23]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

If the gt500 doesn’t beat the zl1, that would be a huge fail.

Yep.. its got 2 years of development over the ZL1. I think the GT500 will be faster in the 1/4 but I dont know about it being faster than a ZL1 1LE around a track. Its got a lot of weight to lose. Also good luck getting a GT500 for under 90k as well.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Razzaa

Just watched the H2H. Man this SS is a sweet platform!!! Decided to check out the comments on M6G. What a shit show over there!! They have all kinds of excuses lol. Claiming engine torque is meaningless etc.

I guarantee that torque will be meaningful to them when the GT500 arrives and that artificial displacement give high torque = high power.

[whiteboyblues2001]

The GT500 is supposed to have a cross plane crank 5.2L with 12psi of boost at 10:1 for over 700HP, a 7spd DCT, monster brakes, and chassis starting point of a GT350.

If the GT500 lives up to the potential listed above, they will have a great car, without question.

[BlaqWhole]

The GT500 might not have to outhandle the ZL1 if it can overpower it enough in the straights to make up for any cornering losses. If it comes in at 750 hp then that is a huge gap. I don't think the ZL1 can overcome that kind of difference unless it handles just way way better. The GT500 needs to handle as well as the non-R GT350 at the very least and then have a good 75-100 hp advantage and it'll match or beat the ZL1. The ZL1 1LE will be a different story.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The GT500 might not have to outhandle the ZL1 if it can overpower it enough in the straights to make up for any cornering losses. If it comes in at 750 hp then that is a huge gap. I don't think the ZL1 can overcome that kind of difference unless it handles just way way better. The GT500 needs to handle as well as the non-R GT350 at the very least and then have a good 75-100 hp advantage and it'll match or beat the ZL1. The ZL1 1LE will be a different story.

Take a look at the 1LE vs ZL1 times on Big Willow. That big of HP difference only paid 2 secs better with essentially the same car. You're talking about half that HP advantage on the R's time, which is 2 secs behind as well. They are going to need more than just a blown 5.2L in a R to get ahead of the ZL1. I definitely think it's possible, but they have to improve in handling or weight.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The GT500 might not have to outhandle the ZL1 if it can overpower it enough in the straights to make up for any cornering losses. If it comes in at 750 hp then that is a huge gap. I don't think the ZL1 can overcome that kind of difference unless it handles just way way better. The GT500 needs to handle as well as the non-R GT350 at the very least and then have a good 75-100 hp advantage and it'll match or beat the ZL1. The ZL1 1LE will be a different story.

This concept you described is exactly what happened in 2014 when they put that 662hp engine in there. It was still left in the dust.

We'll see, should be interesting!

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Razzaa

Just watched the H2H. Man this SS is a sweet platform!!! Decided to check out the comments on M6G. What a shit show over there!! They have all kinds of excuses lol. Claiming engine torque is meaningless etc.

Yes, over there the main rationale is that "Well, the GT is alot more comfortable as a daily driver".

I guess sitting on a stack of phone books on a waterbed is good for daily driving.

[drew peacock]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ah, I didn't know it was a 5sp. At least it was better than the 4sp autos in the New Edge GTs. I had an 03.


They have an excuse for everything. Their favorite excuse is that it isn't an "apples to apples" comparison. ZL1 destroys the GT350R and it isn't apples to apples. SS beats the GT and it isn't "apples to apples". SS 1LE annihilates the GTPP and it isn't "apples to apples". I mean, they're running out of trim levels at this point. When they're matched by price point it isn't fair. When they're matched by trim level it isn't fair. When the Mustang is an extra trim level higher and the SS still matches it then it doesn't count because it was on a different day. I guess it won't be a fair comparison unless the Mustang wins. So they better hope and pray for a GT PP2 win and a GT500 win. Because they're running out of excuses. Oh and the other excuse is that Mustang owners don't care about performance...

utter bunch of retards over on that forum..
the camaro wipes the floor with the s550 end of story...the s550 chassis is junk..nothing can be done about the shite platform

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

When you can't pass muster...the next step is, typically: Lower the Bar.

Or cancel the car until Australia saves your ass with a new platform