The Nurburgring Just Banned Production Car Lap Records - Page 4

Aequitas & Veritas · 06-20-2015, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

You don't impose a speed limit when you find a safety issue. You fix the safety issue. Its a race track. The production car record laps is a big part of what gives "The Ring" its world status. Sad.

Agreed. I remember in 2002 when a fan died at an NHL game by getting hit with a puck that went over the glass. What did the NHL do? Impose netting on all rinks that would catch and slow down pucks lifting over the glass. They did not say players could not take slap shots anymore.

This is sad to see, I love this track. I have been watching Le Mans since I can remember and I love driving this track in games, one day I wish to take a car over there still.

And I was looking forward to the One:1 taking a shot at the top time.

Apex Motorsports · 06-22-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LBreezie

Quick someone build a nurburgring clone in America and have it built at the same altitude as the original. If this ban does actually come about then we will just have to take our lap times else where. All they had to do is fix the safety issue and they would be fine, but no they obviously had to ban all lap recording. The track will be a thing of the past if the ban passes.

I am not sure what the current status is, but a couple years ago there was a developer looking at building an exact copy outside Las Vegas.

ZL1-V · 06-22-2015, 11:16 AM

I believe I had read elsewhere the the spectator[s] were beyond the normal viewing area. In other words standing by the "catch fence"? It's privately owned now so they have to take precautions. Not necessarily agreed upon precautions but necessary when you want to keep it open. If it happened here in the USA the lawyers would have already been on TV and announcing a lawsuit against the track.

MMC · 06-22-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

I am not sure what the current status is, but a couple years ago there was a developer looking at building an exact copy outside Las Vegas.

Bruton Smith former NA$CAR race promoter.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/las-veg...gring-replica/

*The_Blur* · 06-22-2015, 12:22 PM

In all frankness, this is bullshit.

The only reason anyone cares about the Nurburgring is that it is a sort of unofficial level playing field for all automakers to stake various claims on their cars. This is where a lot of great track tuning, top speed runs, and other manufacturer decisionmaking takes place. Without a strong manufacturer presence, there's no case for average drivers to go here.

BMR Sales · 06-23-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

I am not sure what the current status is, but a couple years ago there was a developer looking at building an exact copy outside Las Vegas.

http://www.gizmag.com/nurburgring-re...s-vegas/21801/

*The_Blur* · 06-23-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BMR Sales

http://www.gizmag.com/nurburgring-re...s-vegas/21801/

As cool as that would be, we all know the climate has a major impact on performance. With Nevada being significantly different from Germany, the times wouldn't be authentic. It may be better to just find another track.

Vroom_vroom · 06-23-2015, 04:25 PM

Wow that would be cool! I know where I would be on my days off!

Having said that, I have yet to hear about this and I have been out here long before this was announced. Don't hold your breath.

crysalis_01 · 06-23-2015, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

As cool as that would be, we all know the climate has a major impact on performance. With Nevada being significantly different from Germany, the times wouldn't be authentic. It may be better to just find another track.

Yeah the 'ring sits at like N50° latitude. To match that we'd have to build a replica just north of the US/Can border.

8cd · 06-23-2015, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

In all frankness, this is bullshit.

The only reason anyone cares about the Nurburgring is that it is a sort of unofficial level playing field for all automakers to stake various claims on their cars. This is where a lot of great track tuning, top speed runs, and other manufacturer decisionmaking takes place. Without a strong manufacturer presence, there's no case for average drivers to go here.

Manufacturers aren't going to stop testing there just because they're nixing published lap times. The, "official" lap time thing was just a fun game for the magazines to play off of and good publicity for the manufacturers that participated.

LBreezie · 06-23-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Yeah the 'ring sits at like N50° latitude. To match that we'd have to build a replica just north of the US/Can border.

Why would we need an exact latitude? All you need is somewhere in northern PA or somewhere that replicates Germany's environment and altitude.

*The_Blur* · 06-23-2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd

Manufacturers aren't going to stop testing there just because they're nixing published lap times. The, "official" lap time thing was just a fun game for the magazines to play off of and good publicity for the manufacturers that participated.

I completely agree, but all the brands that have tested there and bragged about it are basically free advertising for the track and got to benchmark their cars against other manufacturers without having to actually purchase those models. If they can't pit future performance models against one another there, why bother going? GM can test and the Proving Grounds or other American tracks. The only reason the Camaro team would take a few over there was to beat up on cars way more expensive without having to actually buy those cars.

shaffe · 06-24-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I guess I don't really see a big deal.

1. Its a "track" half way around the world, that at best, a hand full of us (posters on this and other forums I post on) will ever be to.

2. There are not now, have there ever been, "Official" lap times.

3. There are dozens of tracks both stateside and abroad that are just as capable of giving developers and engineers what they need to make cars with world-class handling.

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Have to agree with this^ MFG will still go their to test, bc it is a demanding track and a great tuning tool. But really didnt care about the lap times there. Lap times on stateside tracks interest me more, especially tracks like Laguna Seca

ZL1-V · 06-24-2015, 10:23 AM

I just wonder why this just so happened right before Koennisegg was sure to set a new lap record? Old man story, we were at the original Irwindale Raceway watching Little John Lombardo make a 1/4 mile pass single lane run. He punched the throttle, the car lurched forward about 30 feet and then decided to blow off it's supercharger into the stands! This was years before blower belt straps to secure them. Before safer mixing of nitro-methane in all of the cars.The weird feeling of seeing parts hurtling towards you is indeed an eye opening experience! We were fortunate it didn't strike anyone that evening. If you spectate close expect to be collateral damage. The incident at the Nurburgring was during a race. It still hasn't been admitted by the track that the spectators were in a restricted area.

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ZL1-V Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,155	I believe I had read elsewhere the the spectator[s] were beyond the normal viewing area. In other words standing by the "catch fence"? It's privately owned now so they have to take precautions. Not necessarily agreed upon precautions but necessary when you want to keep it open. If it happened here in the USA the lawyers would have already been on TV and announcing a lawsuit against the track.

06-24-2015, 10:23 AM	#56
ZL1-V Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,155	I just wonder why this just so happened right before Koennisegg was sure to set a new lap record? Old man story, we were at the original Irwindale Raceway watching Little John Lombardo make a 1/4 mile pass single lane run. He punched the throttle, the car lurched forward about 30 feet and then decided to blow off it's supercharger into the stands! This was years before blower belt straps to secure them. Before safer mixing of nitro-methane in all of the cars.The weird feeling of seeing parts hurtling towards you is indeed an eye opening experience! We were fortunate it didn't strike anyone that evening. If you spectate close expect to be collateral damage. The incident at the Nurburgring was during a race. It still hasn't been admitted by the track that the spectators were in a restricted area.