03-20-2024, 07:31 PM | #43 |
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I looked really hard at the GT350. I drove fox body mustangs for 17 years and have owned a number of Fords. The GT350 seemed perfect, HOWEVER, these were the things that bothered me, (1) it seemed there were a number of Voodoo engines that had serious problems while still under warranty, (2) many of those engines seemed to have oil consumption issues, (3) I think there may have even been a service bulletin that indicated you might burn a quart of oil every 500 miles under some conditions. They were very expensive also compared to my SS 1LE. I think a heads / cam LT1 would be great fun. No flat plane crank and do 8250 RPM but it would be a fun motor with a power curve that may be better suited for street use. Having said that, to each his own and I respect anyone's decision for going with the GT350.
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03-21-2024, 07:30 AM | #44 | |
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I personally think it is a good time for all of us to hang onto our Camaros with this being the last production year. We can only speculate where their value is going to go, but 1LEs (especially 2SS 1LEs) are going to dry up quickly. I think we would all kick ourselves in the teeth if we traded our 1LEs in for 40K then they shoot up to 60K+ in a few years.
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03-21-2024, 09:47 AM | #46 | |
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Engines are not exempt from inherent design problems. High reving engines have ring floating issues, and tend to last less since the rotating assembly has to account for inertia problems. Oil consumption could be a problem if you rev the engine all the time. On the other hand, pushrod engines always blew lifters and camshafts. It's just the nature of the beast. +6k rpm in a pushrod engine puts a lot of stress in the valvetrain. At this point is pick your poison Off topic but not so much, I just saw a YouTube Video of a guy with a 2024 Mustang Gt, with the whipple kit, its good for 810 hp and revs 7500rpm. You need to drop 10k on top of a new GT. 45k + 10K its tempting, and keeps the warranty if its stage 1. |
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03-21-2024, 09:58 AM | #47 | |
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03-21-2024, 02:17 PM | #49 | |
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03-21-2024, 02:38 PM | #50 | |
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To go a little deeper in the topic. A GT350 @ 8300 rpm is close to 25m/s of mean piston speed. It's at the limit of a production engine and same as a Nascar engine. Top Fuel and MotoGP get to 30m/s now. Back in the day, 21m/s was F1 tech, unheard of. Our rev limiter in the LT1 only allows 19.93 m/s. The stoke of the LT1 is 92mm and the Vodooo 93mm. The problem with this is that to avoid ring float, you need to make them thinner, but they don't last. So you need to use harder materials, hence the Nikasil and etc... The issue here is that once the engine cylinder accumulates miles, it wears and loosses it's shape. In low rev or normal engine speeds, the ring can follow deformed cylinders, and still seal. When you're reving 9000 rpm in a tuned GT350, normal wear can cause issues. First one is oil consumption, followed by improper seal and hot gases burning the oil coating of the cylinder causing deposits and friction. That @ 9K rpm ends up with scoring and melting. |
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03-21-2024, 03:45 PM | #51 | |
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Hence why I just bought a 22 ZL1 with < 6k miles on it. I don't think you can find a 24 that's not marked up to hell right now. I think there were 2 in the USA when I stopped looking about 2.5 weeks ago, and neither one of them had an advertised price online. "Call us".
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03-21-2024, 04:56 PM | #52 | |
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All that being said I drove my 1le yesterday and it actually felt snappier. Got new gas in it last week. I’m really starting to wonder if the 93 I put in it before was actually 93. Like I get the 1le puts power down better but it shouldn’t be as drastically different as the car felt the past couple weeks versus my standard SS.
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03-21-2024, 05:24 PM | #53 | |
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03-21-2024, 05:50 PM | #54 | |
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03-22-2024, 04:21 PM | #55 | |
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As of 2 weeks ago, there was around ~20 2022/2023 cars available. 1 WCT (I bought it) 1 Torch Red, 2-3 Rapid Blues, 2-3 SGM, 2-3 Sharkskin, and the rest black / white... for coupes. VOM seemed to pop up and disappear *very* quickly, as it was my first choice, but the 3 cars that I saw Jan-Mar while I was looking, 2 went within a few days and the 3rd I wouldn't have bought as it looked like a Pepboy's had puked on it. Add another dozen or so cars if you add convertibles into the mix. If you went back another year, to 2021 it added a few more cars, but not that many.
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They’re pulling over 25% more for a hood and 17s
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