[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

It's been proven to run a 10.5-10.8. I've seen plenty of reviews where the Hellcat beats the CTS-V too. It's going to be an exciting match up between the 2 vehicles. Dodge let it be known what they have so GM and Ford shouldn't have any problem catching up. The Charger Hellcat is just as fast. I guess we all have to wait and see...

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See the fine print, with Drag Radials on a prepped (VHT) track. Also it's never ran an 11.2 on street tires in any review I've seen. I agree it will still be close either way. Remember there are ZO6s on factory tires (not really street tires if you ask me) running deep into the 10s with the A8 on VHT prepped tracks. I believe the A10 with similar grip tires should be able to crack 10s on a prepped track too. Something the Hellcat can't do period without a drag tire.

[DenverTaco07]

Road and track has the CTS-V sedan at:
0-60 3.5
1/4 mile 11.6 @126.1
skidpad .98
braking 60 to 0 112ft, 80 to 0 191

vs. Charger Hellcat (granted it is heavier than challenger, but then the CTS-V is heavier, presumably, than the ZL1)
0-60 3.7 seconds (LT4 Wins)
1/4 Mile 11.7 @ 125.1 (LT4 wins)
skidpad .90 (Alpha wins)
Braking 60 to 0 114ft, 80 to 0 in 194 (Alpha wins)


Ok, it's only one organization's' test, but it tells me that with 640HP, the LT4 on the alpha not only hangs, but beats the 707 HP fatkitty. Especially in skidpad. For those looking for something more than a ton of HP on a boat with skinny tires...well, the ZL1 fits the bill and frankly unless you just love the 1970's looking Challenger, a discerning enthusiast has no choice but to carefully consider less HP on lighter platform with wider tires...FOR THE WIN.

Also, 0 to 20MPH, 0 to 30, 0 to 40, 0 to 50, all the way up to 130, where they stopped, all have LT4 based CTS-V sedan beating Hellcat Charger, only in top speed is the hellcat faster, 204 vs. 200.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Im a mopar guy at heart, but I really don't see the hellcat out performing this new ZL1. With that being said, I also believe that either car would and will be an absolute joy to drive. My local Dodge dealer has a B5 Hellcat coming supposedly. I just dont think I could do it knowing this ZL1 is coming. Now if he would have ordered white all bets would have been off. Lol.

It really doesn't matter to me which car is a couple of tenths faster on the 1320. It's matters which one is the overall best one to live with every day and feels more nimple. I has an SRT8 yellow jacket and it felt like a tank.

I agree. GM builds some quality vehicles as well as consistent in performance. I think it'll be close between the two with ZL1 being the top dog. Obviously the Hellcat has to swap out the wheels since the 305s don't come stock. I do love my trunk space and just roomy space. I didn't have that in the Camaro. 6'2, 220lbs it does get a bit tight after awhile. I love the Z/28 styling in the ZL1. Only thing I dislike is the wing, and the ZL1 emblem on rear bumper.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

See the fine print, with Drag Radials on a prepped (VHT) track. Also it's never ran an 11.2 on street tires in any review I've seen. I agree it will still be close either way. Remember there are ZO6s on factory tires (not really street tires if you ask me) running deep into the 10s with the A8 on VHT prepped tracks. I believe the A10 with similar grip tires should be able to crack 10s on a prepped track too. Something the Hellcat can't do period without a drag tire.

Yes I see the fine print, lol. It's proven period. You can discredit it all you want. Street legal tires, I'm content with that.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Road and track has the CTS-V sedan at:
0-60 3.5
1/4 mile 11.6 @126.1
skidpad .98
braking 60 to 0 112ft, 80 to 0 191

vs. Charger Hellcat (granted it is heavier than challenger, but then the CTS-V is heavier, presumably, than the ZL1)
0-60 3.7 seconds (LT4 Wins)
1/4 Mile 11.7 @ 125.1 (LT4 wins)
skidpad .90 (Alpha wins)
Braking 60 to 0 114ft, 80 to 0 in 194 (Alpha wins)


Ok, it's only one organization's' test, but it tells me that with 640HP, the LT4 on the alpha not only hangs, but beats the 707 HP fatkitty. Especially in skidpad. For those looking for something more than a ton of HP on a boat with skinny tires...well, the ZL1 fits the bill and frankly unless you just love the 1970's looking Challenger, a discerning enthusiast has no choice but to carefully consider less HP on lighter platform with wider tires...FOR THE WIN.

Also, 0 to 20MPH, 0 to 30, 0 to 40, 0 to 50, all the way up to 130, where they stopped, all have LT4 based CTS-V sedan beating Hellcat Charger, only in top speed is the hellcat faster, 204 vs. 200.

http://www.torquenews.com/106/hellca...-over-and-over

Pretty cool. All in all. Bashing the fat kitty or whatever name you want to call it wont work when your get your ass handed to you in it. It's always the guys who don't even own any of the cars mentioned that talk the most crap, lol.

[DenverTaco07]

It's been proven that a 2016 Camaro SS can run 1/4 in 9 seconds too...but I'm not going to tell you how, cuz hey...I'm content with that and it's been proven.

OMG...why even bother.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

Yes I see the fine print, lol. It's proven period. You can discredit it all you want. Street legal tires, I'm content with that.

So by using them the Hellcat can never do a road course and has to be extra careful in the wet (or really avoid rain completely). And the car becomes a one trick pony relegated to fair weather. Sounds awfully like a trailer queen. But to each their own.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

http://www.torquenews.com/106/hellca...-over-and-over

Pretty cool. All in all.

Ummm, wow, two dudes start off at a gas station...

I'll take Road and Track's review before two dudes with go pro's at night roll racing around town.

LOL....I think this is a pointless endeavour.

[Jeffro19]

If both cars are fitted with the auto's the ZL1 with the 10 spd and the hellcat with the 8 spd I'm betting the ZL1 will have the advantage from a dig and a roll. No doubt it be a close race. Looks like the ZL1 will be around 3900 lbs or so a good 500lbs lighter than the hellcat. That puts the ZL1 power to weight ratio at 6.1 if GM sticks with 640hp and the hellcat at 6.2, damn close.

[Marine Corps]

I think the ZL1 will be about 3800 lbs. The Hellcat and ZL1 will both be outstandingly fast in all distances and the differences will be in 10ths. My choice would be the ZL1, but if Dodge dropped on off in my garage I would't give it back. I love the competition between GM and Dodge (Fiat).

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by Marine Corps

I think the ZL1 will be about 3800 lbs. The Hellcat and ZL1 will both be outstandingly fast in all distances and the differences will be in 10ths. My choice would be the ZL1, but if Dodge dropped on off in my garage I would't give it back. I love the competition between GM and Dodge (Fiat).

I really hope the ZL1 would come in at 3800lbs but I don't think that is realistic. GM says it will be 200 lbs lighter than the 5th gen ZL1 which is 4120.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

So by using them the Hellcat can never do a road course and has to be extra careful in the wet (or really avoid rain completely). And the car becomes a one trick pony relegated to fair weather. Sounds awfully like a trailer queen. But to each their own.

A lot of owners with the Nitto 305, aren't complaining about the wet roads saying it grips well. However those with the MT 305 say its difficult to ride but the MT have more grip.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Ummm, wow, two dudes start off at a gas station...

I'll take Road and Track's review before two dudes with go pro's at night roll racing around town.

LOL....I think this is a pointless endeavour.

I thought the video was cool. I'm not using that to debate anything. But let's keep it real. A lot of owners will do just what they did in the video. Some will take it to a legit drag strip. You won't see many owner tracking it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

As others kind of said, in a straight line at the strip, it's probably close. It will come down to driver skill and how well prepared the car is for its run.

On the track, the ZL1 should beat it pretty handily. Driven by the same person, there should be a pretty big gap in lap times if they were driven back to back. The Hellcat is no slouch and reviewers tend to be pleasantly surprised with its handling considering the size and weight. SRT performance goodies make sure things like brake fade isn't a problem, like it'd be on a cheaper car like a standard Camaro SS or Challenger RT, and it should have fairly good lap consistency. Even so, it really wasn't designed from the ground up to be a track car like the ZL1.

I really want to see the comparisons when they come out. Speculation like this sucks and isn't nearly as fun as seeing them actually go head to head. Just need to wait 6+ months.

I've seen other comments over the past year claiming the Hellcat really is a pretty decent handling car and this aspect is being overblown. Has the Hellcat ever seriously been tested in a track environment?

I can't wait to see a test between the 17 ZL1 and Hellcat with Randy Pobst running laps. That will be funny.