[Callaway Chris]

Originally Posted by Glen e

This post will follow with 12 to 18 people that didn't pay it .......nevertheless it is an industry standard these days.....

On my wife's Callaway Camaro, we did not pay "dealer fees", and the dealer said upfront, they don't charge them.

A few years earlier, when I bought a car from a dealer, they said I had to pay the $399 dealer "doc fee". Since we had already negotiated and agreed on the price being "x", and since they claimed they "had to charge the fee to everyone", they decided to reduce the price by $399 so OTD, it was the same.

Vehicle before that, no doc fees, and on, and on... We pay what we negotiated, or we would walk

[mkorgan]

Honestly, I never thought $799 on a $70k car (with taxes, etc) would generate so much conversation. You guy do realize that we are talking about $799, not $5k or something significant like that?

[Ian SS]

Originally Posted by Glen e

You would be absolutely correct. When the internet decided to go to invoice pricing through true car and all the other sites, dealers just regrouped and assigned a doc fee as their profit. And they won't give it up ....they may offer you other things that countermand this charge but this money goes directly to the administrative/owner of the chain or the dealership.

I had to laugh a few weeks ago, I went into work with a dealership in Richmond Virginia and right on the front door was the hours of operation, and "this dealership charges a 499 doc fee"....LOL

This post will follow with 12 to 18 people that didn't pay it .......nevertheless it is an industry standard these days.....

I suppose every state is different, here it is 80 dollars and disclosed as a doc fee, not "dealer fee". Dealer fee makes it seem like a negotiable markup.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by slo_1ss

I suppose every state is different, here it is 80 dollars and disclosed as a doc fee, not "dealer fee". Dealer fee makes it seem like a negotiable markup.

It is called a lot of things but it is dealer profit:
Doc fee
Processing fee
Dealer fee
Admin fee
Dealer services fee

The name can be anything the dealer owner wants to call it. I call it the "owners cut".

You should not get the opinion I think anyone should pay it, I am just explaining how and why a dealer tries to get it.

[SoCal Racer]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

Honestly, I never thought $799 on a $70k car (with taxes, etc) would generate so much conversation. You guy do realize that we are talking about $799, not $5k or something significant like that?

I get your point relative to the price of your whole car, but it is still quite a significant amount of money. $799 is probably more than the Carbon Fiber hood option...or the carbon fiber interior option...you could probably get a stripe package for that...or Nav(?)...it is pretty close to paying for a sunroof...it is probably close to half or maybe more of the Gas Guzzler tax...at the very least you can buy two brand new rear tires to replace the ones that come with the car after you "test" out the line lock feature on the ZL1 (lol) ...

So I would not just say $799 is not significant...I am sure is is pretty significant to most people even just in their daily lives...ummm...how many gallons of gas could $799 buy for your brand new ZL1?

[Tr6]

Congrats on your order! Keep us posted as you get your event codes updated!

I think the conversation being generated isn't necessarily the amount, it may or may not be THAT significant however... For me, it is the principle. My dealership knew my vehicles status before anyone other than GM did... And they didn't charge me a CENT over MSRP. Hell... Even flew me and the wife down for free.

MSRP as the name suggests is SUGGESTED retail price. Invoice is what the dealership pays and so with the MSRP they are already making money on it if agreed to MSRP and not below thus I see as greed and trying to squeeze more money out of the customer which is just flat out shady. I don't think the invoice prices are released yet but on a 61k msrp vehicle, I am willing to bet invoice is about 55 to 58k. So called "dealer fees" are just shady and I'd personally take my business elsewhere. It's not like we are buying a Ferrari Dino. There are A LOT of dealerships in the nation that have allocation and not shady.

[OminouSS]

Capitalism. Supply n demand. Free market. Call it whatever you want. If you want the car ASAP then you better be prepared to pay FMV for it. If dealer profit under any definition upsets you, then get out of the front of the line and go sit down, awaiting the same car after they hype has subsided. Because it surely will. I hate markups as much as the rest and some surely spell out major greed BUT, the car is worth what someone is willing to pay. Period. Your power lies within your choice to walk away. That's all you got. Hate the game not the player.

[NB2017ZL1]

[BiltN66]

I just ordered my ZL1, and my dealer had several allocations. They only charged me $7.99 in "doc fees", but labeled it "shipping and handling"

My ZL1

[NB2017ZL1]

Originally Posted by BiltN66

I just ordered my ZL1, and my dealer had several allocations. They only charged me $7.99 in "doc fees", but labeled it "shipping and handling"

My ZL1

For 8$ bucks u can't even get a Happy Meal for that. Lol

[SoCal Racer]

Originally Posted by NB2017ZL1

For 8$ bucks u can't even get a Happy Meal for that. Lol

$8 for a Happy Meal?!?...is that USD? lol seems like alot. I only paid less than $5 for one the other day...

...anyways back on topic...My dealer did not charge me any dealer fees...or Doc fees for my new ZL1. They picked it up for me. But I do remember when my Mom bought her Traverse there, they were trying to charge her around $70-80 in Doc fees. After a little negotiation, they gave her enough of a discount on the vehicle that it did not matter (nearly $4000 discount).

[iPODFAN11]

Congrats on the order!

Originally Posted by OminouSS

Hey Mike, it looks like you and I will have pretty much identical cars, sans the paint color. One question though: Your Workbench shows you chose V18 "Cooler Engine Coolant". What the heck is that? My WB does not show that. BTW: Congratulations!!!! Maybe our cars will be built the same week.

Originally Posted by mkorgan

It was already checked along with a bunch of other items specific to or required by the ZL1 model designation. The only thing I can think of is MAYBE there is a different "coolant" required for cars headed to California, similar to different emissions requirements. Honestly though, I have no idea. Awesome to see people coming in that have gotten in early. Let me know how things progress for you and make sure to post pics when you get it. Enjoy your new ride, should be fantastic.

V18 is the RPO code for: http://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NAS...page=6&butID=3

V18 - Cooler, engine coolant, auxiliary
1 - Included and only available with (Y4Q) Heavy-Duty Cooling and Brake Package when (LTG) 2.0L Turbo engine is ordered.

V18 is standard on all SS and ZL1. Most likely code for the 3 engine coolant radiators on board.

ZL1 and SS also have standard:

-KC4 Cooling, external engine oil cooler

-V03 Cooling system, extra capacity

-KNR Cooler, rear differential

-KD1 Cooler, transmission oil

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

Honestly, I never thought $799 on a $70k car (with taxes, etc) would generate so much conversation. You guy do realize that we are talking about $799, not $5k or something significant like that?

I know, right?!?!? Unbelievable.

[mkorgan]

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