Dodge reveals Hellcat Charger - Page 26

hotlap · 10-03-2014, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

There's a couple of things (at least) about this CTS-V "ass-whoopin'" video that warrant comment. An Automatic CTS-V wagon weighs within 100 lb of a Hellcat Challenger, and gives up 150 hp. Apples against oranges. And, as mentioned, Ralph Gilles is a racer. I can't speak for the Caddy guy, but Ralph is a serious wheelman.

Also not mentioned here, but bragged about elsewhere, is the "reality" of a Hellcat mule with 800+ hp. Of all the people at FCA, who would most likely be the guy to put such a car through its pace, if it in fact exists?

How about how tacky it is for the CEO of company to target a guy out enjoying his CTS-V wagon on the track and then putting out the video like a kid posting a street racing kill?

If Ralph whats to impress, challenge Aaron Link to bring out a ZL1 or ship a Cat to Germany and run the Ring

shaffe · 10-04-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

I didn't ask. Heard "pre-production" and "track setup" thrown around. All in positive conversation mind you but this isn't an off the floor production car from your local Dodge dealership.

Counts? Yes, but without the benefit of perspective. For example, what if I showed you the 12.1 second quarter mile Edmunds recorded with the GT500? By itself if looks like a 12 second car no? But when I put it in the context of the Hellcat and ZL1 times, it looks very different.

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

This is why I look at a body of work rather than a single event in isolation. Did the Hellcat run 11.2 at a dragstrip? Only in Dodge press releases.

If SuperChevy magazine records an 11.7 with the ZL1 at the dragstrip one night, but has never run the GT500 or Hellcat, I can say the ZL1 runs 11.7? Look at the body of work. The more data there is, the closer you get to the true mean.

I understand completely and I'm glad you brought these questions up. I have no doubt the 11.2 is achievable in the right hands under the right conditions with enough tries. But that is faaaaaar from average as we've seen in the hands of independent reviews.

Thank you!

Thanks for the well thought out responses medisin.

SpeedIsLife · 10-17-2014, 03:24 PM

FYI all, according to Allpar Mopar has released the Charger pricing lineup. Hellcat bolded

Dodge Charger SE $28,990 (add $3,000 for all wheel drive)
Dodge Charger SXT $30,99 (add $3,000 for all wheel drive)
Dodge Charger R/T $33,990 (add $3,000 for the Road & Track, or Charger R/T R/T; this includes the 5.7 V8)
Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack $40,990 (this includes the 392 V8)
Dodge Charger SRT 392 $48,380
Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat $64,990

DrkPhx · 10-17-2014, 06:50 PM

That's a fair price for that car imo.

spratleyea · 10-21-2014, 12:03 AM

Game over, Dodge wins again...

LostPony · 10-23-2014, 08:35 AM

I posted in the Challenger thread and update here as well:

I have spent 3 days in the Charger Hellcat, I am not allowed to give any driving impressions or photos due to a media embargo until after next week. I will update as soon as embargo is lifted.

LostPony · 10-23-2014, 08:39 AM

Well, I guess I can link this since I technically didn't post it. Damn Fox News!
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...-burnout-ever/

MEDISIN · 10-23-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LostPony

I posted in the Challenger thread and update here as well:

I have spent 3 days in the Charger Hellcat, I am not allowed to give any driving impressions or photos due to a media embargo until after next week. I will update as soon as embargo is lifted.

I look forward to hearing your impressions. I hope it doesn't suffer the same handling characteristics frowned upon in every Challenger review. Will this be available with a manual or auto only?

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Originally Posted by DrkPhx

That's a fair price for that car imo.

What is the target audience? Those that have $65k to spend on a sedan will likely not be shopping Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Hyundai, Kia, VW, Acura, Lincoln, Buick, Infinity. Those that have $65k to spend on a performance car will likely choose something sportier. So it's going to be the person that favors acceleration over handling, loves Dodge, has $65k to spend, needs space for 5 passengers, and requires a factory backed warranty.

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Originally Posted by spratleyea

Game over, Dodge wins again...

In what way? Competitors have been offering significantly more power, performance and handling than Dodge Charger for years and years. The appeal here is for power/$. As I said above, people that have this kind of money have many more options for achieving performance goals. $65k sedans are ubiquitously luxury sedans in the current market. Going to take a special buyer to put $65k into a Dodge not named Viper.

rocket403 · 10-23-2014, 09:01 AM

Auto only and I would think that it will be very close to the same as the Challenger and a bit more weight as well, so I'm sure you will be saying the same about the Charger as you have been about the Challenger.

rocket403 · 10-23-2014, 09:25 AM

TFL Car with the Charger

http://www.tflcar.com/2014/10/2015-d...eo-sneak-peek/

SpeedIsLife · 10-23-2014, 10:05 AM

Much like the way the Challenger is shaping up, it looks like the Scat Pack Charger may be the big seller.

I forget which website it was on, but they were saying it's a SS (sedan) killer, and from the stats, I would have to agree.

LostPony · 10-23-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Much like the way the Challenger is shaping up, it looks like the Scat Pack Charger may be the big seller.

I forget which website it was on, but they were saying it's a SS (sedan) killer, and from the stats, I would have to agree.

I can tell you that they brought 4 competing sedans, an Impala, SS, SHO, and Maxima. No one touched them. They literally never moved the entire event. They were available for drives and were quickly forgotten about. I even forgot about them until the day was over, and I really wanted to drive the SS and SHO.

As I said above, I can not comment on handling as I do not want to violate the embargo put in place by the PR department.

TastyBake · 10-23-2014, 04:43 PM

While that's high hp, I'm not impressed.

They just put a s/c on the biggest engine and did nothing else to the car. Its paying for a high HP machine that isn't refined i.e., magnetic shock absorbers. I'd rather get something with less HP but it is more technological.

Still, Dodge wins.

dr damon · 10-23-2014, 08:47 PM

Looking forward to next week. SS sedan looks too boring to me. If I am unable to keep my camaro ss and buy a hellcat charger I will def get the scat pack version instead in that b5 blue or plum crazy if offered for the 2016s

10-21-2014, 12:03 AM	#355
spratleyea Graphic artist Drives: 2010 wht w/silver ralley stripes Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hampton VA. Posts: 510	Dodge reveals Hellcat Charger Game over, Dodge wins again...

10-23-2014, 08:35 AM	#356
LostPony Drives: 2012 Boss 302 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Charles Town WV Posts: 254	I posted in the Challenger thread and update here as well: I have spent 3 days in the Charger Hellcat, I am not allowed to give any driving impressions or photos due to a media embargo until after next week. I will update as soon as embargo is lifted. __________________ 2012 Kona Boss 302 #2758

10-23-2014, 08:39 AM	#357
LostPony Drives: 2012 Boss 302 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Charles Town WV Posts: 254	Well, I guess I can link this since I technically didn't post it. Damn Fox News! http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...-burnout-ever/ __________________ 2012 Kona Boss 302 #2758

10-23-2014, 08:47 PM	#364
dr damon Drives: 2011 MANTIS Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Socal Posts: 437	Looking forward to next week. SS sedan looks too boring to me. If I am unable to keep my camaro ss and buy a hellcat charger I will def get the scat pack version instead in that b5 blue or plum crazy if offered for the 2016s __________________ 2011 PRAYING MANTIS SS WITH CYBER GREY STRIPES

10-17-2014, 03:24 PM	#353
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	FYI all, according to Allpar Mopar has released the Charger pricing lineup. Hellcat bolded Dodge Charger SE $28,990 (add $3,000 for all wheel drive) Dodge Charger SXT $30,99 (add $3,000 for all wheel drive) Dodge Charger R/T $33,990 (add $3,000 for the Road & Track, or Charger R/T R/T; this includes the 5.7 V8) Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack $40,990 (this includes the 392 V8) Dodge Charger SRT 392 $48,380 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat $64,990

10-17-2014, 06:50 PM	#354
DrkPhx Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 / 2006 TB SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: MN Posts: 2,250	That's a fair price for that car imo.

10-23-2014, 09:01 AM	#359
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Auto only and I would think that it will be very close to the same as the Challenger and a bit more weight as well, so I'm sure you will be saying the same about the Charger as you have been about the Challenger.

10-23-2014, 09:25 AM	#360
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	TFL Car with the Charger http://www.tflcar.com/2014/10/2015-d...eo-sneak-peek/

10-23-2014, 10:05 AM	#361
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Much like the way the Challenger is shaping up, it looks like the Scat Pack Charger may be the big seller. I forget which website it was on, but they were saying it's a SS (sedan) killer, and from the stats, I would have to agree.

10-23-2014, 04:43 PM	#363
TastyBake Drives: 2011 Camaro 2LT/RS Black Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 973	While that's high hp, I'm not impressed. They just put a s/c on the biggest engine and did nothing else to the car. Its paying for a high HP machine that isn't refined i.e., magnetic shock absorbers. I'd rather get something with less HP but it is more technological. Still, Dodge wins.