CTS-V Information & ZL1? - Page 2

ST1LE · 02-08-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Merely suggesting that the ZL1 won't be much lighter off Alpha than any other Alpha model. The Camaro isn't lighter than the equivalent CTS or ATS. So why would the ZL1 achieve miracle status?

I am confused. The lightest CTS(V6) you can buy is just under 3700 pounds. The equivalent Camaro comes in WAY under that.

EE7 · 02-08-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Merely suggesting that the ZL1 won't be much lighter off Alpha than any other Alpha model. The Camaro isn't lighter than the equivalent CTS or ATS. So why would the ZL1 achieve miracle status?

The equivalent CTS V is loaded with higher end luxury items as well as sound deadening material that the ZL1 will not have. I'm betting a significant weight difference between the 2. Also not sure where you got that the cts and camaro weigh the same.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-08-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

The Camaro isn't lighter than the equivalent CTS or ATS.

Yes it is, Number 3....by 300 lbs...

V6 auto CTS: 3752lbs
V6 auto Camaro: 3435 lbs

T4 CTS: 3646 lbs
T4 Camaro: 3339 lbs

Now the ATS/Camaro...a smaller difference, but still in the Camaro's favor.

SpeedIsLife · 02-08-2016, 12:35 PM

3,900-3,950 is my bet...S/C stuff adds closer to 80lbs on the nose, not 50. Add in heavier brakes, bracing and other refinements..that's still 200+lighter than a Gen 5 ZL1.

Jeffro19 · 02-08-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

3,900-3,950 is my bet...S/C stuff adds closer to 80lbs on the nose, not 50. Add in heavier brakes, bracing and other refinements..that's still 200+lighter than a Gen 5 ZL1.

Yeah I think we will be right on the money. Don't see anyway it can get under 3900lbs. Because it will be loaded with features as well. Probably comparable to the 2SS which is around 3750lbs. Then the addition of supercharger, brakes, bigger wheels and tires.

BaylorCamaro · 02-08-2016, 04:14 PM

3,9xx is what my vote is. I will be very impressed if it comes in under 3,900lbs.

KaBoom1701 · 02-08-2016, 06:17 PM

Cool video. Thx for sharing.

Bhobbs · 02-08-2016, 06:22 PM

If the 6th gen ZL1 weighed the same as the CTS-V, it would not have lost any weight compared to the 5th gen ZL1, which doesn't make any sense.

*DGthe3* · 02-08-2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Merely suggesting that the ZL1 won't be much lighter off Alpha than any other Alpha model. The Camaro isn't lighter than the equivalent CTS or ATS. So why would the ZL1 achieve miracle status?

Relative to the ATS, the Camaro weighs either about the same (turbo 4 & NA V6) or up to around 120 lbs less (1SS to ATS-V).

But vs the larger CTS? The gap is a little more than 300 lbs across the board (with the Vsport being compared to the SS).

I can't see why plunking the LT4 into the Camaro shouldn't make it about 300 lbs lighter than the CTS-V. I'll concede that, due to unforseen additions and tweaks to the Camaro, it might be closer to 250 lbs less. That still puts an LT4 powered 6th gen at about 3900 lbs.

Z_Rocks · 02-09-2016, 01:46 AM

So, how much do you think a BASE ZL1 will be priced?
More $55K?

GoneBoy · 02-09-2016, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

So, how much do you think a BASE ZL1 will be priced?
More $55K?

Right around 65k. Never thought I'd pay this much for a camaro, but dare I say it'll be an absolute steal considering the next best sub 100k sports car bargain right now is big bro z06. If the new gt500 can approach anywhere close to what the gt350 can do on the track, then you have a real 65k debate on your hands.

KaBoom1701 · 02-14-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoneBoy

Right around 65k. Never thought I'd pay this much for a camaro, but dare I say it'll be an absolute steal considering the next best sub 100k sports car bargain right now is big bro z06. If the new gt500 can approach anywhere close to what the gt350 can do on the track, then you have a real 65k debate on your hands.

At 65-70k I'll be looking at the C7.....

Jeffro19 · 02-14-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

So, how much do you think a BASE ZL1 will be priced?
More $55K?

Definitely be more than $55k. The last ZL1 was $55k. I figure at least $62k to 65k

DenverTaco07 · 02-14-2016, 03:01 PM

Start 59.9K would be fantastic
Add:
Recaro $1900
Carbon wheels $3K
CC brakes 7K
idk...probably check some boxes will drive it up pretty good but hope for ~60K base.

02-08-2016, 04:14 PM	#20
BaylorCamaro Track > 1/4 Mile Drives: 2016 C7 Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: League City, TX Posts: 6,072 View My Garage	3,9xx is what my vote is. I will be very impressed if it comes in under 3,900lbs. __________________ Automotive YouTube Channel / Texas World Speedway / MSR Houston

02-08-2016, 06:17 PM	#21
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	Cool video. Thx for sharing. __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

02-08-2016, 06:22 PM	#22
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	If the 6th gen ZL1 weighed the same as the CTS-V, it would not have lost any weight compared to the 5th gen ZL1, which doesn't make any sense. __________________

02-14-2016, 03:01 PM	#28
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	Start 59.9K would be fantastic Add: Recaro $1900 Carbon wheels $3K CC brakes 7K idk...probably check some boxes will drive it up pretty good but hope for ~60K base. __________________ 2017 SS 1LE \| HBM \| Vortech V3-Si supercharger (620RWHP and 575ft lbs) \| PDR \| Black Bowties \| Illuminated Front Black Bowtie \| Illuminated Door Sills \| Smoked Tails \| vented seats mod

02-08-2016, 12:35 PM	#18
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	3,900-3,950 is my bet...S/C stuff adds closer to 80lbs on the nose, not 50. Add in heavier brakes, bracing and other refinements..that's still 200+lighter than a Gen 5 ZL1.

02-09-2016, 01:46 AM	#24
Z_Rocks Drives: everyone crazy... Join Date: May 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,109	So, how much do you think a BASE ZL1 will be priced? More $55K?

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