Headers - Page 2

Zl1steve · 05-10-2018, 01:35 PM

the fit and finish between kooks and ARH are the same imo. Go with the lesser price. My kooks look and fit perfect.

DragRacerX · 05-10-2018, 01:40 PM

I bought the ARH 2016-UP 6TH GEN CAMARO (LONG SYSTEM) CAV8-16178300LSWC from RDPStore.com ( https://www.rdpstore.com/p-7895-2016...78300lswc.aspx ). Their everyday discount of $203.00 ($2,247.00) & a 10% off promo got me a shipped to my door price of $2,022.30! I ordered them on a Sunday afternoon - UPS delivered them on Friday. Unfortunately, I have not yet installed them.

danhr · 05-10-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Don't get Kooks unless you're OK with leaving the factory X-Pipe and crushed rear section.

I'm confused. Why? You can run 2 3/4" all the way back or just cut off the reducer part of their connecting pipes and connect it to a 3" x pipe?

Unless I'm missing something.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 05-10-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by danhr

I'm confused. Why? You can run 2 3/4" all the way back or just cut off the reducer part of their connecting pipes and connect it to a 3" x pipe?

Unless I'm missing something.

Kooks doesn’t make an X pipe that connects to their headers and goes to the suitcase muffler. They are working on one but as far as I’ve heard, you can only preorder it right now. If you want to make a custom X or see if you can make another manufacturers work then by all means go ahead.

ARH and Kooks are the top 2 brands. On any other car I’d use them interchangeably. But on these cars until they make a long system that goes to the suitcase, I’d recommend ARH. Besides I do believe ARH edges out kooks ever so slightly, with their US sourced steel.

Many people recommend cheap headers and they usually drown out the people like me that like to buy the best when it’s a wise investment. Headers has to be one if the most controversial subjects on this forum.

danhr · 05-10-2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Kooks doesn’t make an X pipe that connects to their headers and goes to the suitcase muffler. They are working on one but as far as I’ve heard, you can only preorder it right now. If you want to make a custom X or see if you can make another manufacturers work then by all means go ahead.

ARH and Kooks are the top 2 brands. On any other car I’d use them interchangeably. But on these cars until they make a long system that goes to the suitcase, I’d recommend ARH. Besides I do believe ARH edges out kooks ever so slightly, with their US sourced steel.

Many people recommend cheap headers and they usually drown out the people like me that like to buy the best when it’s a wise investment. Headers has to be one if the most controversial subjects on this forum.

So I more accurate statement would be that you dont know if you can use kooks with anything else. Not that you can't use kooks with anything else.

I have intentions of hooking up my kooks headers to a speed engineering x pipe and then the factory NPP. I thought maybe you knew something that I had not thought of. As soon as the kooks finally come in the mail... I guess I will find out.

drfeelgood · 05-10-2018, 03:32 PM

I am going with Kooks 1- 7/8" with green Cats to hook up to my Borla catback...

SJFGTO · 05-10-2018, 03:48 PM

I have coated Kooks 1 7/8 on order with catless mids and a full Borla exhaust.

It is worth the money for fit, leak free operation and wear/tear to spend the extra money for a top brand, likes Kooks or ARH. I put coated Kooks on my 2005 GTO in 2006 and 12 years later never a leak or burned plug wire and they look as good as new.

Colts17ZL1 · 05-10-2018, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Kooks doesn’t make an X pipe that connects to their headers and goes to the suitcase muffler. They are working on one but as far as I’ve heard, you can only preorder it right now. If you want to make a custom X or see if you can make another manufacturers work then by all means go ahead.

ARH and Kooks are the top 2 brands. On any other car I’d use them interchangeably. But on these cars until they make a long system that goes to the suitcase, I’d recommend ARH. Besides I do believe ARH edges out kooks ever so slightly, with their US sourced steel.

Many people recommend cheap headers and they usually drown out the people like me that like to buy the best when it’s a wise investment. Headers has to be one if the most controversial subjects on this forum.

Kooks does make a Mid pipe that connects their headers to the factory NPP with or without cats. I have it and their headers... Part #22604181

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 05-10-2018, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts17ZL1

Kooks does make a Mid pipe that connects their headers to the factory NPP with or without cats. I have it and their headers... Part #22604181

So it's available now? Good to know. It wasn't a few weeks ago.

So go with Kooks Headers and their Connection Pipe (22604181).

drfeelgood · 05-11-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SJFGTO

I have coated Kooks 1 7/8 on order with catless mids and a full Borla exhaust.

It is worth the money for fit, leak free operation and wear/tear to spend the extra money for a top brand, likes Kooks or ARH. I put coated Kooks on my 2005 GTO in 2006 and 12 years later never a leak or burned plug wire and they look as good as new.

Nice! yours will sound a lot more aggressive than mine, I would love to go catless but #Caifornia

SJFGTO · 05-11-2018, 02:53 PM

I hear ya. I live in a rural county in Georgia that does not have emission inspections. Quite a few of the modded cars around here are catless. My wife hates it by the way. My GTO is catless and she hates the smell. I love it!!!

Boost or bust · 05-11-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nrfd79

Yes did a tune. Cai , Lower crank pulley and headers with cat deletes. Has 670 rwhp Base pull was 575 rwhp

What octane fuel are you running?

*mlee* · 05-11-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I would think that GM could offer the "Headers Package+ Tune" with ARH since now they are in bed together. It is such a simple option.

Ask this question in the thread link I posted... I know they are watching that one for comments like this.

BMWM.D. · 05-11-2018, 07:42 PM

I didn’t have a great experience with the Kooks headers I have on my ZL1. Mainly, I encountered some quality control issues with the 02 sensor bungs. On the driver side header, the 02 bottomed out on the merge spike inside the collector. Kooks made it right, but it was a bit of a pain and wasted a bunch of my time. Would have cost me money if I weren’t doing my own install.

I went with Kooks because I wanted the Gesi cats, and I was able to get a system with them for considerably less $$ (Black Friday deal) than from ARH. In hindsight, I wish I’d gone with ARH, as I’ve never been disappointed in their quality and workmanship.

05-10-2018, 01:40 PM	#16
DragRacerX Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 HBM & 2012 2SS M6 IBM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas, GA Posts: 267 View My Garage	I bought the ARH 2016-UP 6TH GEN CAMARO (LONG SYSTEM) CAV8-16178300LSWC from RDPStore.com ( https://www.rdpstore.com/p-7895-2016...78300lswc.aspx ). Their everyday discount of $203.00 ($2,247.00) & a 10% off promo got me a shipped to my door price of $2,022.30! I ordered them on a Sunday afternoon - UPS delivered them on Friday. Unfortunately, I have not yet installed them. __________________ 2017 ZL1 Hyper Blue Metallic, A10 Trans, CF Hood, NAV, PDR, Sunroof, aFe Momentum GT CAI, Vmax Motorsports TB, ARH LT CAV8-16200300FSQWC (Daily Driver) 576 RWHP/575 RWTQ 2012 2SS/RS IBM Technostalgia LED taillights, Magnuson TVS2300 & 3.40 Pulley, Vengeance Racing VRPD-2 Cam Kit, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Injector Dynamics ID850 Injectors, Forced Induction Interchiller, Cold Air Inductions CAI, BBK 40210 LT Headers & Free Flow Cats, MBRP S7022409 T409-Stainless Steel 3" Dual Cat Back Exhaust System, Lingenfelter ZR1 Dual Disc Clutch Kit, ZL1 Brake Kit Rotors & Calipers 628 RWHP/596 RWTQ / A.C.E.5

05-10-2018, 03:32 PM	#20
drfeelgood Drives: 2017 ZL1 Convertible A10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: San Gabriel, CA Posts: 992	I am going with Kooks 1- 7/8" with green Cats to hook up to my Borla catback... __________________ '17 White ZL1 A10 Convertible - TM ported TB - RotoFab CAI - 2.3" griptech upper pulley - Kooks 1 7/8" Headers with High Flow Cats - Borla S-type Catback - Audio Overhaul - NavTV M650-GM - 20" BlackDiForza- Michelin Pilot Sport4S - Tuned at BRC Raceworks (606rwhp/675trq) '14 CTS-V Coupe - ZL1 lid - Ported TB - Ported Snout - AirRad CAI - 8.66" lower - 2.55" upper- Greenbelt - SW Headers - SW Catback - Varimax Intercooler Pump - Track Attack Intercooler-Tuned at BRC Raceworks (551rwhp/516trq) '17 Maserati Levante- STOCK

05-10-2018, 03:48 PM	#21
SJFGTO Oh Oh it's Friday Night! Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Nightfall Gray Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Walton Woods Posts: 1,062	I have coated Kooks 1 7/8 on order with catless mids and a full Borla exhaust. It is worth the money for fit, leak free operation and wear/tear to spend the extra money for a top brand, likes Kooks or ARH. I put coated Kooks on my 2005 GTO in 2006 and 12 years later never a leak or burned plug wire and they look as good as new. __________________ 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE NFG; ARH 2” headers, catless mids, ARH full exhaust, Lingenfelter 18% lower pulley, ATI Harmonic Balancer, Roto-fab CAI, EE-catch can, TM ported TB, NX Lid, BMR strut tower brace. Aeroforce dual pod interceptor gauges. Tuned by Vengeance Racing!!! 644 HP @ 6250 rpm / 689 trq @ 3660 rpm Four that wanna own me Two that wanna stone me One says she's a friend of mine...

05-11-2018, 02:53 PM	#25
SJFGTO Oh Oh it's Friday Night! Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Nightfall Gray Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Walton Woods Posts: 1,062	I hear ya. I live in a rural county in Georgia that does not have emission inspections. Quite a few of the modded cars around here are catless. My wife hates it by the way. My GTO is catless and she hates the smell. I love it!!! __________________ 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE NFG; ARH 2” headers, catless mids, ARH full exhaust, Lingenfelter 18% lower pulley, ATI Harmonic Balancer, Roto-fab CAI, EE-catch can, TM ported TB, NX Lid, BMR strut tower brace. Aeroforce dual pod interceptor gauges. Tuned by Vengeance Racing!!! 644 HP @ 6250 rpm / 689 trq @ 3660 rpm Four that wanna own me Two that wanna stone me One says she's a friend of mine...

05-10-2018, 01:35 PM	#15
Zl1steve Drives: Zl1 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Washington Posts: 195	the fit and finish between kooks and ARH are the same imo. Go with the lesser price. My kooks look and fit perfect.

05-11-2018, 07:42 PM	#28
BMWM.D. Drives: ZL1/335i Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 870	I didn’t have a great experience with the Kooks headers I have on my ZL1. Mainly, I encountered some quality control issues with the 02 sensor bungs. On the driver side header, the 02 bottomed out on the merge spike inside the collector. Kooks made it right, but it was a bit of a pain and wasted a bunch of my time. Would have cost me money if I weren’t doing my own install. I went with Kooks because I wanted the Gesi cats, and I was able to get a system with them for considerably less $$ (Black Friday deal) than from ARH. In hindsight, I wish I’d gone with ARH, as I’ve never been disappointed in their quality and workmanship.

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