02-29-2024, 01:10 PM | #1737 |
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Oh, I doubt the WEF can accomplish everything it sets out to do, their approach is more incremental, but as a general rule, if they're for something, I'm against it. As Buckeye stated, their intentions are right out in the open, if anyone cares to look and can find the crazy stuff filtered through google. EVs just are a small part of their overall agenda.
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I'm 58, semi-retired with a nice nest egg. I sleep like a baby. I do however feel sorry for the country/world that my children will live in. A far different world than the one I grew up in.
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2021 Sales were 77% higher than 2020. Volume growth was 222k units 2022 Sales were 79% higher than 2021. Volume growth was 278k units 2023 Sales were 37.5% higher than 2022. Volume growth was 532k units. This was also the year that sales topped 1 million. Expectation for growth in 2024 is lower than 30%. Volume growth is expected to be a little less than 500k. So, slower growth rate, but still a lot more volume. I’m actually as I type this putting together a presentation for a meeting I have coming up with the Board of a supplier company on this topic.
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No, I pointed out some people seem to be very scared that the WEF is going to make them eat bugs and take away their cars. That seems far-fetched and totally illogical to me, but it doesn't make them a bad person or conspiracy theorist, like believing in Big Brother can be (whomever that is, these days).
Back to the topic we were discussing before such nonsense, China is going to eat our lunch with regards to EV's. And there's very compelling data that what we're seeing with EV sales right now is a temporary slowdown. |
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I think it boils down to a matter of perspective. Viewed in the context of just a product, EV's are doing OK. Viewed in the context of a product that most governments want to be at the very least dominant, if not exclusive, in ten years they aren't doing so well. From your standpoint - they are just cars - I totally see where you are coming from and can't disagree. From the standpoint of they are tools in an agenda - which you may or may not agree with but couldn't say if you did - they are so far failing. |
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New vehicles sales are down in January 2024 as a whole. The proverbial "$10k off MSRP" on a Chevy pickup is back. Inflation is almost normal, but that doesn't necessarily mean prices (MSRP) have come down. Incentives are getting good, though. I believe there will be some slack water in this space between inflation and feds cutting rates.
The other momentum that EV's have lost as of recent are falling fuel prices. Domestic oil production is at record highs and oil prices have fallen. It's hard to juggle those two ideas- on one hand, the US has seen a great bump in EV adoption and sales in the last two years, but we've also removed the cohort of EV buyers who are red-hot and fed up with yo-yo fuel prices (mostly high). Two things at once. It will be interesting to see the road ahead. |
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But yes, I agree, EV's have some uphill challenges. But when price comes down, and when charging stations become ubiquitous (adding around the US at a rate of 46k per year, presently), and when battery tech innovates again and we see bigger range, shorter recharge, there's a good chance EV's will become both dominant and superior for many use cases. I can come up with data that says EV's are faster, safer, and are better in some cases, contribute to fewer overall emissions, and may have a cheaper cost of ownership. That doesn't matter to someone who hasn't/won't/will never own one. There's a misconception that the state of EV is presently fully-baked, and this is what it will look like going forward, as good as it gets. It's not. It will either fail and be put back in the box for another day, or it's going to be come the next Thing. My bet is on the latter. There's over 100 years of ICV innovation and evolution, and the modern EV has been out for a little over 12 years if we consider that point in time to be roughly around dawn of the mass-produced Model S. The advancement that's been made in that amount of time is un-ignorable. |
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Electricity as a consumer power source is already more cost effective for people that turn EV down. The why's are not irrelevant and not whatever FUD stands for. The recharge issue will run into occupational/safety limitations. Cells/Batteries will improve incrementally (even then it's stupid not to have a fuel heat auxiliary for deep freezes). It's impossible for there to be a breakthrough in motor efficiency. I could argue the early Model S was better aimed at market adoption. And in the bigger picture, 3/Y and Cybertruck continue a mission creep; knowing that the trend early adopters are men with tech-forward egos, that will buy hyped specifications, on severely bean-counted vehicles. I am slightly curious on comparable insurance rates, repair costs. I suspect GM's platforms put higher emphasis on it than Tesla's. |
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Most of battery hype is vapor if we're being honest. And then they do things like put a 600-mile range battery pack in a BMW iX with tech that's available now. And the charger expansion of 46k units per year is no joke. Recharge times for existing lithium-based EV batteries with over 300 miles of range on a fast charger is right around 30 minutes. Electric Motor efficiency may be increased with a transmission, which EV's currently lack. Most are currently direct drive. As for insurance costs, our BMW iX is as expensive to insure as an X3 M Competition. There was no change in premium for us going from a 3 year-old M to the iX, which has a much higher MSRP. Repair costs will vary and I don't know what a moderate hit to our iX would end up costing. If it gets in to the battery, that's still a problem for EV's. But let's be honest, if it gets into the engine on an ICV, the car's likely to also be a total loss and it varies by vehicle. |
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