MOTORTREND Head 2 Head (more in-depth look from Inde) -ZL1 TAKES ON BOSS VIDEO :D

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Weight is the 5th gens biggest downfall. It effects everything in the car. Beating a much lighter competitor with almost every advantage is not impressive. I'm saying the same thing over and over and nobody seems to get it because they're so impressed that the ZL1 beat the mustang. That's the text book definition of a fan boy. Make the cars equally in one category and see how much weight plays factor. Take your pick: HP, price, suspension.

Really? CAMARO is heavy?! That's news to me... It seems to me, the fact that ZL1 came overcome such a handicap is what really makes it amazing; in the same way the LS is such a great Mustang (IMO) because it's a factory car, and I think the lengths Ford went to make it perform as good as it does is truly commendable. I'm not a rocket scientist, or even very smart, however, I really don't think your grasp of physics and how all the details of vehicle dynamics comes into play... Either that, or your trolling, in which case I suggest changing your course of action. Replying to your posts in this thread is giving me a rash.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

136hp deficit...the ZL1 better f'n beat it!

I guess it's a little like the title to Motor Trend's drag strip comparo entitled "GT500 Crushes Camaro SS!" of the 2010 GT500 (dynoed at 570HP) vs the 426 HP LS3 144 HP disadvantage for the Chevy. However, the GT500 was only able to "crush" the Camaro by 1/10th of a second in the quarter with at 12.8 second vs 12.9 second run. IMHO, the GT500 should have won the race and won it by a lot more than it did. We said, "the GT500 better f'n beat it!". So, my point: the tables are turned for the moment and maybe the 13 GT500 will take back the bragging rights and we can argue "who's better" again! I'm glad we can do that!

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by radz28

"... puppy kicking..." You dismiss everything else, but continue (even now) to point to be as the most relavent factor.

I'm not the one that refuses to look at more than the fact that a win is a win.

Originally Posted by radz28

Competition tires, a splitter you can't use legally on the street, and a track key that's not legal for use on the street in CA are also differences. You don't seem to understand what the data was from this test.

We're the Goodyear supercars designed exclusively for the ZL1? The splitter sticks out too far for crash standards. The track key isn't legal in CA because they are bunch of hippies and the exhaust bypasses the mufflers, not an earth shattering advantage there.

On top of that, what is the price of the N/A, straight axle LS?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

No because they are the top two models.
the boss is the gt500's little brother.

the zl1 is the top dog camaro, vs the top dog mustang which is the gt500.

There are two Mustangs of interest to anyone.

One that handles well
One that has a big motor.

There is one top Camaro. The ZL1. It handles well and has a big motor.

That leaves the Mustangs as wannabe ZL1s.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Weight is the 5th gens biggest downfall. It effects everything in the car. Beating a much lighter competitor with almost every advantage is not impressive. I'm saying the same thing over and over and nobody seems to get it because they're so impressed that the ZL1 beat the mustang. That's the text book definition of a fan boy. Make the cars equally in one category and see how much weight plays factor. Take your pick: HP, price, suspension.

I am more impressed at the overall performance of the ZL1, the fact that it beat the Boss LS at it's own game is just icing on the cake.

Despite it's weight (that YOU keep mentioning) it is one hell of a track car!

[JusticePete]

Shno, didn't the ZL1 time crush the fastest lap Mustang times at VIR?

[Unobtainium]

I think GM used the 2011 gt500, so the 2012 is the fair test. Ford knew this, and bumped the power to try and make up for their shortcomings on the chassis.
The car makes 200hp more than the boss, but weighs more.
I'd be surprised if the GT500 doesn't own the ZL1. It's expected based on the specs. Given the same basic weight, the GT500's better launch control, and more power, the drag times will not be very close. Road course times will be comparable.

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

There are two Mustangs of interest to anyone.

One that handles well
One that has a big motor.

There is one top Camaro. The ZL1. It handles well and has a big motor.

That leaves the Mustangs as wannabe ZL1s.

So the GT500 is a wannabe to the ZL1 which was created as a response to it? that's one hell of a riddle there jack lol.

You've already decided the gt500 won't handle well huh?
you sure you're not a bit too early on that?

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

I am more impressed at the overall performance of the ZL1, the fact that it beat the Boss LS at it's own game is just icing on the cake.

Despite it's weight (that YOU keep mentioning) it is one hell of a track car!

Wait, is my argument based on HP or weight?? I'm confused.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

No because they are the top two models.

You can't cry about a HP advantage for one review and ignore it for another.

You really are proving "YourBlindingBias".....

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

You can't cry about a HP advantage for one review and ignore it for another.

You really are proving "YourBlindingBias".....

Did you take out the part where I said the boss is the little brother on purpose to make it seem like you "got me" ? Because you didn't.

top model vs top model is fair with any car.
top model vs mid model makes sense to you?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Unobtainium

I think GM used the 2011 gt500, so the 2012 is the fair test. Ford knew this, and bumped the power to try and make up for their shortcomings on the chassis.
The car makes 200hp more than the boss, but weighs more.
I'd be surprised if the GT500 doesn't own the ZL1. It's expected based on the specs. Given the same basic weight, the GT500's better launch control, and more power, the drag times will not be very close. Road course times will be comparable.

The 2013 is lighter and does have more HP. It does not have a better launch control as it use date technology one wheel braking for S/TC. Will it pull a faster 1/4 mile constantly? I could care less. When I drive, y drives are longer than a 1/4 mile. The roads on drive on have turns and rough patches. Some times it rains when I drive. I'll take the ZL1.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Wait, is my argument based on HP or weight?? I'm confused.

That's the problem. In one post you mention horsepower and then in another you reference weight. You should reference the horsepower to weight ratio.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Weight is the 5th gens biggest downfall. It effects everything in the car. Beating a much lighter competitor with almost every advantage is not impressive. I'm saying the same thing over and over and nobody seems to get it because they're so impressed that the ZL1 beat the mustang. That's the text book definition of a fan boy. Make the cars equally in one category and see how much weight plays factor. Take your pick: HP, price, suspension.

Hmmmm, could it be that no one else agrees with you and that's why they "don't get it"??? The Boss 302 is the most highly developed track car Ford has...seems a logical comparison...in my opinion.