The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Found another source: http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/2011/testdrive.html

So Edmunds ran a 13.0 in the GT and a 13.1 in the SS (Note: Different time , different place)

Car and Driver ran a 13.0 in the SS and 13.2 in the GT (Note: Same time , same place)

So I would say right now hanging on to the 12.7 is being a little nieve

Yep, people can talk all they want, but the bottom line is these cars are neck and neck unlike the 2010 Mustang which got smashed in the 1/4 by 6-8 mph.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

The 2010 Mustang only won magazine competitions when all the data was put aside and they talked about more subjective items like steering feel, visibility, etc. I don't care about some magazine writers opinion, I am talking about the numbers (again concerning the 2010 matchup). Considering the Camaro was trapping 6-8 mph higher, I would say that is pretty significant, and shows the power difference between the cars. There were no tests in 2010 that the Mustang even came close to the Camaro, the reverse is not true.

I agree with you here mostly, but you're not completely correct. The '10 GT out handled the camaro in nearly every comparison. While it's not the subject of discussion here, a lot of auto magazines like to talk about handling, which is part of the reason camaros and mustangs have lost comparisons to european and asian imports in the past even when they walk all over them in a straight line. I'm not arguing with your point at all though.

EDIT:

I just found a video of said article's comparison...

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2011-fo...camaros-video/

I'm not so sure they did the 1/4 testing same place/same day. There is no drag strip at buttonwillow.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I just find it funny how bitter you, ViperTomcat and SWAT_79 are.

Why am I bitter? I dont even own or want to own either car. I simply like to encourage rational thought and critical thinking skills, which apparently are lacking with a majority of people today.

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Maybe you should listen to yourself. I wouldn't take anything as a staple right now, especially anything from Motor Trend. Anyone remember the Shoot Out they did where the Mazda Miata got 3rd with the likes of the ZR-1, SS, GT-500? Ever heard of pay for play on the radio???? Thats not the only industry it happens in.

12.7 isnt a given nor is 13.2. I would say it falls toward the lower side and is about even with the Camaro.

Can I quote you on that when people start driving the cars?
Nobody should be breaking 12.7 in this new mustang in your opinion?

[SWAT 79]

I'm not bitter at all....The camaro beat the 2010 but about 4-5 tenths (6-8 is another very silly post) And the new mustang beat the camaro but about 2-3 tenths. I don't own either car, I just know the facts. Do you guys all live in the same fantasy land? Or do you each have your own?


Gmrulz- A bolt on camaro will absolutely beat a bolt on 2011 mustang, I don't think the 5.0 will be a bolt on friendly motor (or boost for that matter, tho they is more plausible then picking up anything significant from cai,headers, etc, considering the 5.0 comes with upgraded headers and intake).

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Unfair

Can I quote you on that when people start driving the cars?
Nobody should be breaking 12.7 in this new mustang in your opinion?

He never said that. He said it is not a given. Oh, and yes we shall see when these cars hit the streets what they start running. Your gonna see very similar numbers from a car that just debuted last year. .

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

I'm not bitter at all....The camaro beat the 2010 but about 4-5 tenths (6-8 is another very silly post) ).

6 to 8 MPH in the 1/4 mile.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Seems very fishy to have a 1/2 sec difference for the same Make/Model. When customers start getting them off the lot and turning 12.7's I will be a believer.

You do realize it was roughly the same stretch of 1/4 mile times for the 6 speed SS, right? Anywhere from 12.9-13.4?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Most tests were about .6 tenths and about 6 mph. Between 2010 and 2010.

Anyway...edmunds did a comparison...check it out. Camaro was faster...again. Every single magazine except motor trend has had the camaro as fast or faster than the new mustang GT SO FAR.

Dont kill the messenger.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automo...ustang-gt.html

[ULTRAZLS1]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automo...ustang-gt.html

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Yep, all that hype that the Mustang is gonna kick the SS butt cracks me up. Inside line also did testing.

Inside Line:

On the quarter-mile at Auto Club Speedway in lush, parklike Fontana, California, IL's long-term Camaro SS whomped to 60 mph from a standstill in just 5.1 seconds with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The full quarter-mile went by in 13.1 seconds at 110.4 mph.


Our red Mustang GT (on all-season Pirelli P Zero Nero tires) matched the Camaro SS's blast to 60 mph by hitting that speed in an identical 5.1 seconds from a standstill with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout). But the quarter-mile took another two-tenths to complete with a slightly lower trap speed, 13.3 seconds at 107.3 mph

3 mph faster trap speed for the SS.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Before anyone mentions it the mustang that they mention running a 13 flat @110.6 was on another day (numbers from the first test...camaro matched that anyway in its first test)

ANd yeah,....thats what I meant...edmunds inside line...thats what my post is all about....I seen the car and driver one and just seen this one and figured I should post it.

They also get better handling numbers with the camaro in this test.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

I'm not bitter at all....The camaro beat the 2010 but about 4-5 tenths (6-8 is another very silly post) And the new mustang beat the camaro but about 2-3 tenths. I don't own either car, I just know the facts. Do you guys all live in the same fantasy land? Or do you each have your own?


Gmrulz- A bolt on camaro will absolutely beat a bolt on 2011 mustang, I don't think the 5.0 will be a bolt on friendly motor (or boost for that matter, tho they is more plausible then picking up anything significant from cai,headers, etc, considering the 5.0 comes with upgraded headers and intake).

Since I'm not sure, and nobody really is, I can't say I disagree, but some food for thought: The N/A saleen 302 is supposedly trapping 116-117 and making 450hp or something like that. I know the trap speeds are for sure what has been claimed, I'm not positive on the power numbers. I'm not sure what kind of modifications are done exactly, but judging by previous saleen cars, it's likely just bolt ons. Nothing's for sure though.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Most tests were about .6 tenths and about 6 mph. Between 2010 and 2010.

Anyway...edmunds did a comparison...check it out. Camaro was faster...again. Every single magazine except motor trend has had the camaro as fast or faster than the new mustang GT SO FAR.

Dont kill the messenger.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automo...ustang-gt.html

Not shooting the messanger just pointing out that they ran another GT and it beat the Camaro so I dont understand how they claim the Camaro as the winner if anything they can call them equals.

The Mustang may not pack the Camaro's visual firepower, but it's an easy car with which to live.
On the quarter-mile at Auto Club Speedway in lush, parklike Fontana, California, IL's long-term Camaro SS whomped to 60 mph from a standstill in just 5.1 seconds with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The full quarter-mile went by in 13.1 seconds at 110.4 mph.
Our red Mustang GT (on all-season Pirelli P Zero Nero tires) matched the Camaro SS's blast to 60 mph by hitting that speed in an identical 5.1 seconds from a standstill with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout). But the quarter-mile took another two-tenths to complete with a slightly lower trap speed, 13.3 seconds at 107.3 mph.

That's a razor-thin advantage for the Camaro and, just to throw in some additional ambiguity, we also tested another Mustang GT (this one in blue and wearing summer tires), which ripped to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and blitzed the 1,320 feet in 13 seconds at 110.6 mph. That's the kind of razor's edge that can be measured in microns.