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Originally Posted by Andy@Livernois

So it sounds like everyone is just saying lets not even try? Again, if we believed what everyone on the internet said we could do we wouldn't have even tried on Ecoboost Ford applications. EVERYONE said the same doom and gloom type stories with it's encryption too. Same with 2011-12 Chrysler, encryption too complex for the aftermarket to figure out. It is quite interesting that so many people say it CAN'T be done, yet the car isn't even in any customer's or shop's hands yet.

Hey, MAYBE I'm wrong, but then again I have history on my side saying I'm right, and we will gain access to it. Also, just because the people who have tried to tune other applications that utilize this controller think its too complicated to understand doesn't mean we will. A Human wrote the code, programming language, etc. I am pretty sure other humans can figure it out. This isn't our first go around with DI tuning, Our business is developing, and improving on brand new engine families, especially when no one else thinks it can be done.

93 when LT1 was announced it was going to move to flash memory everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

95 when everything was moving to OBD-II everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

96 when the LS1 was revealed everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

05 when we moved to an E40 everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

06 when GM moved to E38 everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

08 when DI stated being used (LNF Cobalt) everyone said it would be untunable. WRONG

That is just the GM applications that were doom and gloom. There may be some downtime while the aftermarket figures it out, but with enough backing and time, it gets done.

All further complexity in engine design and management does is further separate the good shops from the bad, exposing their true knowledge and skill set.

Originally Posted by JR-Vette

Everyone ?

Not hardly, everyone, meaning all of us who have been custom tuning back to the old E-prom ECMs of 1980s never had a issue tuning any of the ones you mention and the tools like Tunercats, LT1/LS1/LS2 edit filled the gaps of all the above early on.

Huge difference in a tuning program hacking a security code and today's C7's controllers learning from past hacking GM made sure it will be much harder to hack and far easier to tell if the controllers were hacked on

In the end I'd suggest to C7 buyers not to be the tuning testpigs as we saw with the C6s a huge amount of engines blown to hell by claims of "secret" tuning methods.

GM is not dumb and has learned a lot and has some surprises as what OnStar will be doing in the background to see if C7s were hacked.

it's not even a matter of saying that nothing should be tried...


it's BEEN tried for years now across the pond. what a lot of people tend to forget is how complicated reverse engineering electronic components is; especially when they're a set of brains tied together that dictate the actions of a small metal box that explodes hundreds of times a minute.


sure, it's doable. but not cost effective...

that's the main issue; while everything in this world is hackable, does it make sense to spend X when you only get back X/100?