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Originally Posted by Bhobbs
I understand the sharing of engines and transmissions from a cost stand point but in the competitive side of things, that is a limitation on the Camaro. While Ford and Dodge improve their engines, GM doesn't. We already basically know what engine will power the Camaro and close to what it will put out. That gives the other companies a big advantage. They can continually add more power and top the Camaro knowing that the Camaro won't get any power added.
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It would be too much to cover all the GM, Ford, and Dodge engine development. Seriously, GM has 420HP/430tq six at the dealers.
So let's just focus on the V8's the companies have used for their cars this century.
I'll get these numbers and years wrong, but you will get the point.
1997 debut of LS1 SBC. 305 to 350HP ratings.
2001 freshen to LS6 to 385HP
2002 freshen to LS6 to 405HP
2005 freshen to LS3 at 430HP
2006 freshen to LS7 at 505HP
2009 freshen to LSA at 556HP
2010 freshen to LS9 at 638HP
2012 freshen LSA to 580HP
2014 unofficial bump in LS7 power, bump in torque.
2014 freshen to LT1 at 455-460HP
2015 freshen to LT4 at 650HP
All of these engines share bore spacing, packaging, and interface. No need to mention truck engines using it, or GMPP options to push displacement to 454CI.
All are 2v V8 engines. You could fit the 650HP LT4 into a 305HP Camaro.
How many different V8 engine configurations did Ford and Dodge use from 1997 to 2015? (we won't count the failed V10 efforts).
Ford went from a new 2v SOHC V8 at 215HP, to a 3v SOHC, to a 4v DOHC, and ended up with 662HP in the end. But the DOHC was considerably different in width, heavy, and could not just drop in the early cars.
Dodge car V8's of the current generation "Hemi" arrived in 2006 at 340HP-425HP, bumped to 485 for 2015, then 707HP supercharged for 2015
While Ford and Dodge currently win the Blown HP awards, and rightly so, the idea that GM just sits there is a joke.
GM, went from 305HP naturally aspired to 505HP naturally aspired in under 8 years.
Ford, 215HP NA to 444HP NA in 15 years?
Dodge went from 340HP NA to 485HP NA in 9 years.
GM can always up the boost again, but can Dodge or Ford get a NA engine up to where GM was in 2006? And with 24hr endurance racing records to back it up?
Now, if it's just going to be blower war from here on out, don't be surprised at what GM does next.
