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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Gimme a break. How many EVs will last 155,000 miles? Gotta add 50% or more to all the EV emissions levels to be closer to apples to apples to account for building more EVs due to a shorter life span. Then compare that to a civic or other decently efficient ICE and the EV will likely have more emissions. Not to mention this is just looking at carbon dioxide. Not even taking into account other environmental attributes, which the EV is clearly worse.

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Um, you may want to look at all the Teslas over 200k on the original battery.

And did you really care about saving the environment before you got mad at EV's? Probably not.

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

I'd be interested to see your data analysis here.

Tesla warranties their batteries for 8 years or 125k, and people are getting 200k+ with around only 10% capacity loss.

I'm not aware of any ICV manufacturer who warranties anything for 125k, are you?

The chapter on “how long does an EV last” has not been written yet. There is simply not enough real world data. But logic lands on the side of the EV lasting as long as if no longer than ICE simply from the standpoint of

1. Fewer moving / friction focused parts. Less things to wear out.
2. Modularity of build making many of the essential subsystems easily replaceable.

Let’s not conflate maintenance / longevity with repairability. Today EVs have a repairability problem. Parts distribution systems are not mature, especially for direct-to-customer sales (no dealership network). So they rely on the OE for parts supply to repair vehicles that have been physically damaged. This is not sustainable.

Add to that the tendency for BEVs to be over the air updatable via software upgrades and you have a scenario where owners are more likely to keep older vehicles that acquire new capabilities via upgrades. The Tesla we bought in November now has capabilities it did not have when we bought it. Nothing spectacular. Just things like the Lane Departure Warning indicators now show a red line next to the camera view of the lane we’re looking to merge into if something is in the blind spot. But the thing is, people who bought similar cars in 2018 receive most of the same upgrades and now have product capability equivalent to a brand new car on the lot. This is not unique to EVs. ICE manufacturers are starting to add the same capability. But the point is, the continuous system upgrades and feature enhancement goes a long way towards keeping the vehicle fresh.

Batteries are showing to last longer than originally expected provided the owners properly care for them and follow recommended charging instructions. A lot of owners are seeing single digit % drop off in the first year of operation, then leveling off for years. Proper care includes

• charging to 80% except for known long trips, then charge to 100%. Exception being LFP batteries which work better when consistently topped off at 100%
• Preconditioning the battery before using DC Fast Charging. Teslas and most newer EVs precondition when you set navigation to a charging station. Others have a button or a menu option to precondition.